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help the (r)evolution
    #2962039 - 08/03/04 11:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

we need articles, original ones if possible, and lots of them.
news, info, pictures, whatever you have to contribute. Anything you think that would fit. Ideally the information should be objective and easy to understand. Not confuscating :wink:

Check out the barebones site here - http://globalhumanrevolution.org
and you can see the general topics we are looking at divulging into.. although things are subject to change.

I appreciate any help my fellow shroomerites can provide.. we are looking at covering topics such as:

Human Rights & Civil Liberties
Government and Politics (really need help on this one)
Freedom & Free Will
The War on Drugs
and many more.

Anyway you can write just about whatever you want but try to keep things efficient.. keep things simple and to the point, don't be long-winded. Think universally interesting.

If you have ANY suggestions at all feel free to shoot them my way. Also you might want to check out the forums.. www.globalhumanrevolution.org/forums

We need some writers and thinkers for the website and forums.. so if this is you please drop by and contribute what you can!

Peace all
Love and Light


Viva la Revolution!


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2963238 - 08/04/04 07:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

so, you want to do exactly what all the current worldwide governmental/environmental/humanitarian organizations are doing.....except...you want to get high while doing it?

you do know that there are hundreds of brilliant authors all ready writing on these subjects, who have many published articles and books, right?

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2964760 - 08/04/04 04:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Positronius said:
so, you want to do exactly what all the current worldwide governmental/environmental/humanitarian organizations are doing.....except...you want to get high while doing it?

you do know that there are hundreds of brilliant authors all ready writing on these subjects, who have many published articles and books, right?

.........





from what i can tell, no one has any idea what they want to do.

tho shroomism did post some socialist/communist ideas in his manifesto.

but he says its just some loose ideas...

why dont u post some of your own ideas?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2964860 - 08/04/04 04:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

ok I'm just about ready to present my ideas.  I've been getting them organized for a long time now (about 3-4 months)

blastrid, jsut because the responses hasn't been made publicly, even on the boards, it doesn't mean people aren't working right now.  this will be a long and tedious process, but we the people and this planet are well worth it. 

Posit brings up a good point, there are many writers out there.  and guess what...what a better way than to unite them all.  this is where contact and advertising will come in.  I just mo0ved to santa cruz and there are many groups out here along that would be interested in helping and joining together.

dunno why people are so quick to put ideas down, especially when they are out to spread the message of love and togetherness. 

common people, join the revolution and take part in changing society for a much better future!  :sun:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: kaiowas]
    #2964925 - 08/04/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That was a great reply Kaio!  I think all of the movement in this direction is awesome everywhere I see it on the globe!

I was stopped cold with one word in the orginal post and that is the word 'revolution". It implies war to me and going up against something, and fighting  in opposition to something and THAT goes against all of the principles of Oneness. 

There's gotta be a better Directive Header Word for this movement that is in harmony with the cause itself.

I noticed you yourself didn't use the word revolution- it's harsh. It also implies using force to me and I don't think the way into oneness is found in forcing people to realise it and live in an awareness of it. It's gotta come about on it's own, one by one and it is. I think new recruits who are moved by visions of battle, may fall into the energy of forcing people to beleive as they do and that can cause more war and discord in itself.

Maybe someone can write and article about this for the revolution. LOL maybe I will! :wink:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965165 - 08/04/04 06:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i know only some people think about this,and even less consider it imporant.We also have to ecourage ideas of the environment,that includes eating and using animals.people give little regard to what they eat affects them.This isn't some vegan rant or anything.Its something i see as mandatory for peace.And yeah,plants need better treatment too.i wish this wasn't so beyond many peoples understanding.Iknow theres people out there that will though.I've had ideas about this for over the last year.Now its just a matter of writing it down.Instead of calling for revolution(which will incite violence in the minds of many due to language barriers)i suggest we call it evolution,even though i think someone has recommened that already.We call for evoltion so we further advance ourselves.If you people are having a revolution,count me out because i want to evolve.I call for Evolution.NO REVOLUTION.Understand?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965186 - 08/04/04 06:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

revolutions just lead to the same point
I found this quote on dictionary.com and made me think about what i said about revoltions.

"The violence of revolutions is generally proportioned to the degree of the maladministration which has produced them". --Macaulay.

but also,theres this thing i've been thinking about.
I think killing in the name of God to be very very wrong.
But what about killing in the name of love.
I mean in a calm,non panic,compltely thought out situation,someones coming towards,you know they have intentions to kill,what do you do,there are weapons available,even a gun,what do you do,do you shoot the person,to let them kill you,do you run,but you run into more people wanting to kill you,what do you do in these instances?For the evolution of love,this seems like a hard obstacle to come over.There shouldn't be any violence,but when you kill out of love,where the violence,its almost liberating someone from their evil brainwashed minds that lack love.Its accepting them,thus loving them,you accept them as beings that can not understand the terms of love and what this world need.You kill them so in the future,they may be a son or daughter to be brought up in this world of future love.What do you think?Maybe i made sense.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2965324 - 08/04/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

he he,

Thats how the people who kill in the name of god talked their way into making it "right" to themselves.

Killing someone to defend yourself because you love yourself or even them and do so as a "mercy" shooting of sorts is really no different.

If murder is wrong to you in one area then it is wrong in all. The minute people start trying to justify it in some cases is how religious war starts.

I just got it into my head that its no more wrong then it is right, it just is and it serves me to honor free will. Not just the free will rights of the murderer, but those who draw the experience of being murdered to themselves as well. Who knows what it is both parties are seeking to understand through the experience on the higher levels? Maybe they both choose it to help the people around them move past judgment and ideas of loss.

I just didn't like the word revolution as it runs contrary to the goal of the group.

Anything people think they are fighting against out there, they are really only externalizing what they are fighting against within.

When are people just going to face their own shadows once and for all and make peace with them?  :heartpump:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965434 - 08/04/04 08:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

obviously there is a lot of pre-conceived notions of the word revolution and its history.. however if we are looking it at from a dictionary perspective it would fall under two meanings:
6. A total or radical change; as, a revolution in one's circumstances or way of living.

7. (Politics) A fundamental change in political organization, or in a government or constitution; the overthrow or renunciation of one government, and the substitution of another, by the governed.

I am thinking more in terms of peaceful evolution, global unity, and ascension than violent upheaval. Revolution is a word which conjurs up many fierce emotions, but we are not doomed to repeat the past. We are not going to overthrow the government, we are just going to be there with a plan when they collapse under their own weight. I am thinking more in terms of teaching people of earth to live with compassion, understanding and acceptance, to live in harmony with nature and to be self-governing entities.. sovereign beings. Love being the central core of our message. As opposed to fear..

The regard for human, animal, and natural life is one of protection and preservation.. the planet Earth, which we reside and depend on for our lives, is to be respected and cherished. Money, oil, and war are not the secrets of life. Mass consumerism and docile populaces is not healthy. SOMETHING must change, even if it's just one thing. And I do not intend to sit around picking my teeth muttering 'oh well.. can't do anything anyway'. I am going to control my reality. I've wasted enough of my life being pessimistic and full of despair.. I intend to make a difference and at least TRY and leave the world better than I found it.

I'm just a guy that enjoys my free will and the right to live a happy life. I do not like watching people get fucked by "the man" or being the one getting fucked. Frankly, I'm pissed.. and for about a million good reasons. I don't enjoy living in fear or having my loved ones live in fear yet that is what is shoved down our throats. This is just my perspective, based on my personal life experiences, and what I think a good life entails. Peace, love, happiness, acceptance, evolution, diversity, harmony with nature, other people.. what it does not entail is relentless fear campaigns, wars, human rights violations, murder, brainwashing, or any kind of manipulation through greed, fear, or power.. or ANYTHING that involves control and/or domination over other humans/animals/nature. We are not here to conquer the planet and each other.

I'm starting my own evolution revolution starting from within and working my way outwards. I'm just hoping everyone else will join me so that we may live in peace. If you want to get technical I speak of global human evolution through transcendence of fear and karma which would fall under the definition of revolution. I just want to promote oneness, equality, love, and spirituality.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965457 - 08/04/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Number 6 is how I see the movement- radical change for sure.

I was just thinking about the people who become crusader/warrior like when they hear the word revolution or start knocking on peoples doors like jehovahs witness shoving it down our throats.

I guess there will always be extremest radicals within times of radical change who loose sight of the goal.

I know you arn't one of them shrooms and understand what you all are doing.

Like I said, it might help if someone submitted an article on what is meant by revolution to cast it in a light that doesn't insuate fighting against something- the commonly known meaning of the word. A lot of people who could contribute WON"T if they think this is about starting another war.

Thanks for sharing your persoanl position and view on it.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965490 - 08/04/04 08:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i believe killing is wrong,it was just an idea thrown out there to see what the repsonse was.I don't think i would mind getting killed,its just if there was something i really needed to do as an effort for the peace,i mean what would i do.Lets just say hypothetically,I have an object(lets call it "A").And A has to get from Point 1 to Point 2 to achieve the much needed peace on this Earth.Lets just say its a matter of love and war.Someone becomes an obstacle for object A to get to point 2.And that someone wants to kill me for being one of the people of the human evolution movment.And i find my self in this situation of to be killed or kill,and also,to kill for peace,or to die for love.I mean love is suicide in these times,to want to give love to the world is suicide.I will kill myself over and over again to show the world what love is.But technically speaking,since we are all one,is it right to kill someone else,but in fact they are us(me).So its in terms of bettering myself as a whole.This isn't justification,its just guidlines for situations.I don't want any violence at all.I just want a peaceful movement that the people in power can't do anything about it.The only they can do is kill us,and i don't know how much good thats going to do.
I don't think any of this would happen if we or enough people love.
I think this is going to take more than a few years,as it has to get started and people invloved.i'm just waiting for a huge event,something funny,peacful and ironic at the same time.
What i always thought would be cool as a love protest would be
half million naked people sitting in front of the white house smoking pot.But that would get out of hand,and there would be evil people there too probably,i was just saying that'd be something funny and would humilate this goverment(one government is every government,capitlism is facism,etc,compare them all to this date,they all work gloablly together,so everyone has to be careful).
How about this:
How do you arrest a town complety filled with naked people,they all have food,they are self sufficent,and how do you enforce laws?
Something like that too could be made.But these ideas seem so hard to do.But in my mind they seem simple.I think i've been ranting all this time,so if i don't make sense,just think about it.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2965514 - 08/04/04 08:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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How do you arrest a town complety filled with naked people,they all have food,they are self sufficent,and how do you enforce laws?
Something like that too could be made.But these ideas seem so hard to do.But in my mind they seem simple.I think i've been ranting all this time,so if i don't make sense,just think about it.




you dont arrest them, you firebomb them for harboring terrorists.

and since the govt owns all the land(legally) they could kills us for trespassing.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965529 - 08/04/04 08:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well I don't think anyone will get the wrong impression about our group, or at least think that we promote fear or war. We are working very hard to remain objective and to choose our wording very carefully, so as to not turn anyone away, while still getting our message across clearly. The site is under construction, but our mission statement thus far reads as such:


The Universal Freedom Organization is a growing community dedicated to providing truthful and objective information about pressing global issues. We believe that all humans have the right to live in freedom and govern their own lives while accepting responsibilty for their thoughts and actions.

We value the Earth as sacred, and believe that all natural life is to be respected and protected. We aim to raise awareness of the increasing spread of environmental problems that are destroying our shared environment while providing and promoting positive solutions to these problems. We promote independent, non-biased media and news sources to provide a balanced perspective to our members in forming their views about these matters.

We encourage freedom of speech, thought, expression, and self-determination for ALL humans in an atmosphere of tolerance and respect for alternate points of view. We seek an end to violations of human rights, and control of others through fear. We seek to unite all the nations of the world through open communication and peaceful resolution of conflicts.

We reject and repudiate violence now and forever as a means of achieving our goals. Our struggle will always be conducted on the high planes of dignity and discipline as we endeavor to reflect the change we seek to evoke in the world.

To these ends we will selflessly strive to promote peace, harmony with nature, and non-violence through the methods of tolerance and open communication with an emphasis on love and respect for all beings. We welcome all who would join us in making this mission their own.


We want to avoid misconceptions, and so it is good to get constructive feedback. Note constructive does not have to mean positive. We want to avoid miscommunications as much as possible, but that is practically impossible, what with the english language and all.. different words mean different things to different people. It's easy to be misinterpreted. But since we are trying to appeal to everyone on earth, (not any targetted groups) and unite people with the common good of mankind and nature in mind.. it is especially important to be as objective and universal as possible. We want to educate and unite through open communication and understanding. The internet is the perfect place to start.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2965531 - 08/04/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

this revolution/evolution has to understand you can't own land.please read my grass theory,i changed the name to The martrys of the earth,look it up.this is what we have to do for love.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965551 - 08/04/04 09:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I honestly dont think there is any hope of a group which consists of communists, socialists, libertarians, athiests, religious folk, right brains, left brains, nerds, jocks, country folk, city folk, Americans, Europeans, deadheads, ravers, gangstas, hardcore environmentalists, occultists, scientists, brain-fried hippies, cynical GenXers, and jaded baby boomers coming up with a set of ideals that they can all agree upon, much less implement a successful revolution based in those ideals.

call me a pessimist, I just dont see it happening. I've never been in a room where those things were being discussed that wasn't divided and embroiled in a never-ending struggle.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965556 - 08/04/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its funny and sad at the same time cause its true


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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2965557 - 08/04/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

nonethe less,revoltution is coming


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965575 - 08/04/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The fact that everyone says it is pretty much hopeless only gives me more determination and will to go on. I am very passionate about certain things, and did I mention, the most stubborn person I know.  :grin:

I will do whatever it takes in my reality to make something happen. I am merely assisting the transformation. As for getting people to agree on something.. happiness and freedom is pretty much universal, and those that want to be miserable and control others through fear can go play somewhere else..


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965587 - 08/04/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The never ending struggle you reffered to doc is what I was getting at. people think it's about creating/forcing change out there and really, the need to do that is evident of the inner struggle which is the real cause to be addressed.

A group can work together to inspire each other to work on making peace with the inner struggle. I would give that more hope!


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965622 - 08/04/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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The fact that everyone says it is pretty much hopeless only gives me more determination and will to go on. I am very passionate about certain things, and did I mention, the most stubborn person I know.  :grin:

I will do whatever it takes in my reality to make something happen. I am merely assisting the transformation. As for getting people to agree on something.. happiness and freedom is pretty much universal, and those that want to be miserable and control others through fear can go play somewhere else..




If you really think its gonna be that easy to work out a consensus...  if you really think that people will put aside their own ideological predjudices and listen to reason...  If you think that people will empathize with eachother and genuinely try to understand one another's point of view...  If you think that people will be civil and leave personal insults out of intellectual discussions...  If you think that the organization you form (if indeed you manage to form one) wont be taken over and used against its initial purpose... 

...you obviously havent been paying attention.  I would recommend spending more time in the PA&L forum.  Especially now that you are a mod there.


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