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Offlinewhole9
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Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam...
    #1540231 - 05/12/03 12:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's amazing how religions can actually change the way you think, and act. Take my friend for example he used to be the mind expanding type, and we would talk about all sorts of theories, prophets, ect. ect. but it seems like every time I attempt to talk to him about anything that goes against his "teachings of christianity" he just spouts of some of his same old preachings... It's almost sad to watch it... It's like he has lost his ability to think! I don't know what to do... For instance in the christian religion it is a sin to consider other religions as possibilities and you have to have full faith in god to go to heaven or whatever so if you talk about another religion possibly being right he will just immidiatly go against it and take a christian perspective and argue how it's wrong, but basing it on nothing but a book. *sigh* another one bites the dust... I honestly think he has reached the point of no return just another blind sheep.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: whole9]
    #1540268 - 05/12/03 12:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well, I see your point. Id does suck ass to speak with someone with absolutly no consideration for other opinions....believe me, I know. Most people you know are probably christians and a few hardcore christians. Ive talked to most of the ones that I know about it, when I asked them why they go to church, they say: "I don't know, I just always have." This is undoubtably a very poor answer and should make them consider exactly WHY they are going (although they usually dont). You must also strongly consider the chance of your friend being right, after all, it is possible. I consider myself to have an open mind about things like this and people like this, but I still know that I am ignorant no matter how many truths I seek. A whole lot of people just give up, like your friend. Seeking the truth is fairly exausting, some just cant put out as much as others and close up their minds for their own personal thought relaxation. It is a lot easier to follow a worn path than to make your own, especially when your machettie (sp.) is getting dull, so do yourself a favor and bring a sharpener on the journey.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: bluesky]
    #1540295 - 05/12/03 12:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dogma between friends.. weird shit. If you can't forget yourself around friends.. that sucks. I guess I'm an "environmentalist" and I hang out with like-minded people, but when I'm hanging out with my good friends nothing's sacred and nobody's going to attack me for speculating that global warming is a hoax perpetuated by hysteria and that there's nothing wrong with mass extinction and all the rest.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: whole9]
    #1540370 - 05/12/03 01:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

These kind of threads are a dime a dozen...

It's like all the non believers here feed off each other.


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OfflineDogomush
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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Zahid]
    #1540410 - 05/12/03 01:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's like all the non believers here feed off each other.

Touche... you're totally right. Anyway, let's all go to church


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Dogomush]
    #1540439 - 05/12/03 01:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

It's like all the non believers here feed off each other.

Touche... you're totally right. Anyway, let's all go to church



Ya, all this thinking is making my head hurt. Let's all go listen to a sermon from some preacher telling us what to believe.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1540481 - 05/12/03 01:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

It's like all the non believers here feed off each other.

Touche... you're totally right. Anyway, let's all go to church



Ya, all this thinking is making my head hurt. Let's all go listen to a sermon from some preacher telling us what to believe.




sounds easy enough =D


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1540485 - 05/12/03 01:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

But come on, lets just look at this from the churches perspective... If you could think and switch to other religions how would the guys at the top get their masses of collection money?


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: superfine]
    #1540511 - 05/12/03 02:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Religion tends to be used to justify the actions of assholes. Remember back a few centuries in England? Most people were basically broke as fuck and lead really grim lives, while the wealthy class, the elite, the royalty vasked in their comfy, cooshy life styles. Instead of following Christian morality, such as SHARING, CARING, LOVING, or a dozen other virtues, these royal dickheads made up lies to justify the situation. "Your suffering is God's will, life is supposed to be suffering and pain, and if you are good, you will go to heaven, which is eternal happiness". And the people actually believed this crap. This load of bull was used to trick the people, so they wouldn't get fed up and revolt and overthrow the wealthy cocksuckers.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: whole9]
    #1541117 - 05/12/03 09:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Every authority attempts brainwashing. Most people are too lazy to think for themselves, including the non-religious.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: ]
    #1543727 - 05/13/03 01:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Mr. Mushrooms took the words right out of my mouth!







Think for yourself, question authority.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Murex]
    #1558944 - 05/19/03 12:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Think for yourself, question authority.

Don't tell me what to do, FUCKER!


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Dogomush]
    #1559146 - 05/19/03 02:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have a story somewhat opposite of the first post. I have a friend who became bron again Christian several years ago and closed her mind right off to everything. She resented me for exploring different religions and only accepting what felt right to me. We lost contact after going on vacation together and getting into a big fight then a month ago I bumped into her..... she's not Christian anymore, she's curious about Buddhism, and she's starting to become curious about entheogens. When I asked her why she left Fundamentalist Christianity she said that it was too small a worldview and that she couldn't keep ignoring that fact anymore.

Just told that story to show that people can get out of that conditioning, people can remember how to think for themselves.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #1559881 - 05/19/03 01:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Someone remind who said that The worst advocates for religion are those who follow it...I cant seem to remember, but its oh-so-true.

I mean, religion itself, isnt really bad. Christian ideals are GENERALLY good. Ya know? Dont steal/cheat/lie/murder. But others are bad. I mean...I dont know. It seems that if people actually ACTED Christian, and had tolerance/respect/love for people, instead of looking down on anyone who was different, the world would be a decent place.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Dogomush]
    #1560225 - 05/19/03 03:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


Don't tell me what to do, FUCKER!

You're catching on.  :wink:


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: ]
    #1560239 - 05/19/03 04:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Every authority attempts brainwashing. Most people are too lazy to think for themselves, including the non-religious."

well man lol if everybody thought for themselves all the time then cooperation and collaboration would not be possible... i think it is often a great idea to realize that I am not the best of the best, and that other people's ideas can indeed help me with my life - its just when attempts at "total-control" and manipulation and cheating and exploitation and stealing and lying and hiding things from people comes into play that bothers me the most about "authorities brainwashing" everybody.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: whole9]
    #1560249 - 05/19/03 04:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Religions are all the same. Different ways of looking and interpreting the same thing. Then in the process it becomes twisted, misinterpreted, changed, etc.

Eventually, when we wise up.. there will only be one religion, and it will encompass all beliefs and non-belief. It will be the human religion, where every belief is valid, and none is excluded. A religion of being true to yourself, and what YOU believe in. Who you are. A religion based on world unity instead of separation. Yeah. Not until we wise up though.


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1560686 - 05/19/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i think it is often a great idea to realize that I am not the best of the best, and that other people's ideas can indeed help me with my life

Isn't that thinking for yourself?


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Re: Religions do a really good job of brainwashing... dam... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1560712 - 05/19/03 06:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Out of all the "Christians" I have met, only about 1% of them live the ideas that Jesus taught (or at least try to). All the others care about is church dogma, which is ludicrous to begin with. As a matter of fact, modern Christianity is so far removed from anything resembling Jesus' teachings that I would prefer to call it Antichristianity.


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