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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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June 19th

ONE: The universe is My dream. Every thing therein, including 'you' and 'me', is an element of that dream - from elephant to virus, from nebula to atom.
TWO: Then each of us dreams a universe? How comes it that we all dream the same universe?
ONE: Each of us does not dream a universe. Only I dream the universe. You all perceive the same universe because you are all elements in My dream.
TWO: Is that concept not - let us say - somewhat egotistic?
ONE: 'Egoism' is a dualistic concept and implies 'non-egoism'. But there is no such thing in reality as non-egoism. Therefore there is no egoism either. There is only I - and nothing else (which would be necessary) to constitute egoism.
TWO: But why is the universe your dream any more than mine?
ONE: I have already told you : 'you' do not exist except as dreamed by Me.
TWO: Supposing I reply that 'you' do not exist except as dreamed by Me?
ONE: That is unnecessary: it goes without saying.
TWO: There is evidently something I have failed to understand.
ONE: That is due to our dualistic language, inadequate to the communication of truth. We have to use the same word to convey several meanings. You are still thinking in terms of identification with a body. You are using the terms 'you' and 'me' in order to indicate the unreal elements of My dream which are holding this conversation. Unreal elements of a dream cannot dream the universe of which they are elements.
TWO: Then who dreams it?
ONE: I do. Anyone who says 'I do'. For that I is the Absolute, Reality, Consciousness Itself, Cosmic Mind, Tao. That I is One - no matter who says it.
TWO: Obscure, very obscure!
ONE: 'Obscure' my foot! It is as clear as daylight, as simple and obvious as anything within the grasp of Mind in manifestation. Only its expression is obscure - for it has been expressed in words.
TWO: So I am everything in this universe, as I am everything in the universe of my sleeping dreams, every elephant, every virus, every nebula, every atom, 'you' and 'I'?
ONE: You have understood.
TWO: What more is there to say?
ONE: Nothing whatsoever. Everything is explained, every word of every Sage and Master. That is the meaning of the Lord Buddha expressly conveyed in the Lankavatara Sutra, and Sri Krishna if he be regarded as responsible for Vedanta Advaita.


Edited by appleorange (06/18/10 02:46 PM)

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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:fonz: NICE


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: rainhawk]
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June 20th

Thinking is not bad. It is a natural and beautiful expression of awareness. Suffering and searching occur when there is identification with thought. This identification creates the separate sense of self.

The separate self is nothing more than energy within the body and mind that focuses on and contracts around the thoughts that arise. The result is repetitive, unnecessary thinking, most of which revolves around the story of "me." This story consists of essentially three thought realms: the past, the future, and resistance to now. The sense of separation is kept alive by continuously identifying with thoughts within these three realms.

The separate self is a story about how the past is unsatisfactory. The past is "me." The sense of separation is further fueled through resistance to what is happening now and through seeking some future moment when life will be better.

Spiritual awakening is not found in the future. It is a present seeing that the story of the time-bound, thought based "me" is not real. That seeing can only take place right now because time itself is part of the story. In this present realization, the energy behind the "me" story releases. The mind queits on its own. Peace and freedom are realized to be natural attributes of presence. Thoughts still arise but they are no longer identified with.


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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June 21st

In which direction of Time do we live in our dreams? Is their reinterpretation by waking consciousness in its own time-sequence not the most probable explanation of their oddity? Is there then any mystery in a dream whose action leads up to a 'noise' that awakens us at the moment it actually occurs in the next room?


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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June 22nd

Here's an experiment anyone can do at home to show that all which exists is consciousness and only consciousness.

Go get a teacup or a coffee cup and put it on an uncluttered area of the table or desk in front of you. Sit down with your hands in your lap. Look at the cup with a soft, open focus. Notice that there may be thoughts arising, perhaps thoughts about where the cup came from, what it is made out of, etc... Notice that these thoughts could still arise even if your eyes were closed, so they are not a direct experience of the cup. Let these thoughts pass by and attend only to the direct visual experience of the cup.

What is directly given in your visual experience of the cup? There is color and shape, which together are often called "form." Notice that you do not experience color without shape, or shape without color. Notice that what you take to be the shape of the cup is actually based on the interface between two shades of color. Looking to the edges of the cup, you can notice that where the cup ends and where the table around it begins is actually based on where one color comes to an end and another color begins.

Following your direct visual experience, you can notice that various "objective" characteristics you normally attribute to a cup are here based on color. This includes "distance," "size," "weight," "height," "depth," "roundness," "texture," "smoothness," and "hardness" are based on nothing other than regions and interfaces of color. Now, try to find the various aspects of color that stand for these supposedly objective characteristics. For example, notice that you don't see distance or weight, but they are based on associations and conclusions made from various colors. For example, consider depth: no color is experienced to be in front or in back of another color. Instead, unbroken regions of color suggest "in front of"; broken or interuppted regions of color suggest "in back of," etc. Try to experience how color suggests the other qualities.

What is realized from this experiment?

You realize this - through a series of stages, the cup you had earlier thought to be an independent physical object is actually none other than awareness itself. These stages can be seen as follows:

1. The cup is not separate from form. Visually, you experience colors and form. But vision does not directly pick up anything beyond that. It can be transformational and perhaps thrilling to realize how much does not actually appear to direct visual experience. You do not directly experience any independence of the cup. In other words, vision itself does not communicate anything like "this cup exists whether you see it or not." In fact you do not experience independence or separation at all.

You do not actually experience a cup apart from the forms (colors & shapes) that are your direct experience at this moment. You do not experience these colors and shapes pointing outside themselves to a true, physical cup lying beyond. You have no way of getting between these visual forms and a "real" cup so as to be able to compare the colors to the cup. None of that is given in your direct experience. The colors and shapes directly given in vision do not communicate that they are about the cup or that they refer to the cup or that they are caused by the cup. Aboutness, reference, and causation are not part of your direct experience. Sure, there are intellectual theories about these things, but they are not seen or given in your direct visual experience. So there is no cup given in direct experience.

2. Form is not separate from seeing. Next, you come to realize that you do not experience form apart from the faculty of seeing. You cannot separate form from seeing, even in imagination. You cannot get between seeing and form in order to make a comparison. You have no experience of pre-existing forms, some which happen to be seen, and some which happen not to be seen. An unseen form is not experienced anywhere, just like an unthought thought.

This leads to the shocking realization that you never actually see form at any time. Form is not something external that is independent of seeing; form goes into the very idea of seeing. Seeing is not a function that operates on form, it is another word for form. So you do not actually see form.

3. Seeing is not separate from witnessing awareness. Next, you come to realize that seeing itself cannot be separated from the awareness to which it arises. When seeing is present, its presence is noted by awareness. When seeing is absent, its absence is noted by awareness. Other than awareness, seeing has no independent way of arising or being experienced. You have no other access to seeing. You cannot get between awareness and seeing to watch them make contact with eachother. When seeing is not present, it is not like some actor in the wings waiting to come onstage.

This leads to another fresh realization - because seeing is not something that happens independently of awareness, you are actually not ever aware of seeing. It makes no sense to think that seeing is an object. Rather, awareness is actually another word for seeing. Because seeing has no where to go and nothing to be other than awareness, awareness is actually the nature of seeing. This same nature cascades all the way through to the supposed physical objects, which itself is nothing other than awareness. This is your direct experience at all times.


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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June 23rd

Not only do we 'take on' the appearance of what we see and hear but we also take on the texture of whatever we touch - as we can now see by doing this quick experiment:

Extend your index finger and touch any object or surface that's close at hand. It can be anything - the chair, the carpet, your clothes, anything.

What is it that can be sensed here?

Is it a case of feeling the tip of your finger and the object being touched? Or rather, is there only one sensation present, that of the object at hand? The texture of the cloth, the smoothness of the wood. In fact isn't it true to say that the tip of your finger has magically transformed itself into the object you are touching? Your finger tip is that object! Your finger tip has to be empty of itself so that it can take on the texture of the object. In fact the same is true of all your skin over all your body, and of course, of all your senses.

Here is another way of showing ourselves our real and true nature, that is, emptiness for the world to happen in.


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: seylm]
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Great job appleorange. I've read a lot on these subjects it never gets old, it makes me want to start meditating again.


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Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines

Edited by bigmike7104 (07/18/10 10:42 AM)

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: bigmike7104]
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Agreed.

Any more word on the sources?



~Monk

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: numonkei]
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that is very awesome. some of my favorite reads/audio before meditation would be zen flesh zen bones on book and s.n. goenka on tape


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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This thread is a beauty. :sunny:


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