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Daily Meditations With Appleorange
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A friend emails me something to meditate upon everyday and I thought I would begin sharing his emails with all of you on here.

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Do not think of being as an object. Thought deals mainly in objects. Through the use of concepts, the mind divides this One reality into seperate parts. This is why the spiritual search happens. The mind believes that there is a person (object) separate from being (another object). This creates the misconception that you must take steps in time to recognize being. That is the time-bound spiritual search.

Don't think of being as a noun. Consider it a verb, as in be-ing. What does it mean to just be?

Be-ing is a timeless essence. It has no beginning or end because it is not an object. It is tempting to say that this being permeates everything. But that really isn't accurate. This being is none other than everything. It is an essence be-ing every thought, state, emotion, and experience. The very movement of trying to understand, conceptually, this reflection is being be-ing a movement in thought.

Being is not about a denial of doing things. In being, it is recognized that there is no doer. Doing continues to happen. But there is a realization that there is no person separate from being who needs to find something. There is only being be-ing the thought that this finding needs to happen.


Edited by c0sm0nautt (05/08/10 11:26 AM)

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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Be your Self :thumbup:


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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I used to have a bumper sticker than said "Enjoy Being" :thumbup:

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Arden]
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Thats the joke of all this, awakening is just fully Being
Most beings are still 99% focused on becoming, become this, get bored, become that...
The next book, the next philosophy, the  idea of 'growth' itself...

Finding total satisfaction in the fact that you exist is happiness, and extreme gratitude  :grin:


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Edited by Chronic7 (05/07/10 02:57 PM)

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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If there is no doer, what can anyone do to see there is no doer?
If there is no doer, what can anyone do to make it seem as though there is?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Kickle]
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Exactly
No identity as doing, only Being



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Edited by Chronic7 (05/07/10 03:09 PM)

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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But that also means that if you do identify as being a doer, you're not really the one doing it.
And there is nothing you can do about that situation.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Thats the joke of all this, awakening is just fully Being
Most beings are still 99% focused on becoming, become this, get bored, become that...
The next book, the next philosophy, the  idea of 'growth' itself...

Finding total satisfaction in the fact that you exist is happiness, and extreme gratitude  :grin:


People are chasing ashrams around India, or expensive yoga classes, or esoteric scriptures in Sanskrit... only to later arrive at the enlightening ability to wash dishes just for the beautiful sake of washing dishes. :grin:

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
But that also means that if you do identify as being a doer, you're not really the one doing it.
And there is nothing you can do about that situation.


Theres nothing you can do apart from see that there is nothing you can do
And that is a great seeing

Although beings just feel that they have to do something, have to hold to something
I'd say hold to the one thing that breaks holds on everything, hold to the Self
But its not attachment, as its like saying hold to space, theres nothing to sink your claws into

The more the mind can hold to the Self the more space, clarity & happiness manifest as experience
But dont hold to them either, just to the Self!


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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But changing from doing to seeing is doing something.
It is a change that you cause.
Which is all I've ever heard the word "do" to mean; causing change, making happen.

And if that's the case, then we can do things.
We can be doers.

If we can't do anything, we're puppets to circumstances/karma.
Until the right stuff comes along, we're helpless.

Further, if we cannot do anything, how can we possibly better our karma?
We can't do anything to better or worsen it.

Edited by Kickle (05/08/10 01:55 PM)

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Kickle]
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May 7th

Notice the desire to suppress, deny, avoid, or escape so-called "negative" feelings and states such as anger, sadness, boredom, loneliness, anxiety, grief, lack, and frustration. Also, notice the desire to maintain or recreate so-called "positive" feelings and states such as love, joy, happiness, contentment and excitement.

This movement to avoid the negative and seek the positive is the spiritual search. Whenever that movement is happening, a spiritual search is in place.

Oneness does not deny anything. Everything is included. Oneness is not about reaching a future positive state. It is the recognition that what you are is nothing being everything, every state and emotion.

In noticing this movement to avoid the negative and seek the positive in the moment it arises, the movement quiets. What is happening in that quieting is a recognition of what you really are. You are an unnamable, unchanging opening (also called 'being' or 'non-dual awareness') that never moves or changes. In recognizing what you really are, it is seen that these movements are temporary expressions that appear in that opening. These movements, whenever they appear, are included and seen as not other than what you are.

In this noticing, it is realized that there is nowhere to go. There is only this opening and whatever is appearing in it. Everything is allowed to be exactly as it is, whether it feels good or bad. That is the end of the search.


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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May 8th

In regards to enlightenment or non-duality, it can appear that teachers and books are pointing to a state in which one sits quietly without much thought arising and without much happening. A moment of sitting quietly without thought and action is just a passing state. Although that state is possible, 'This' includes everything.

Almost anything that is said about enlightenment is a trap because it is not a particular experience, state, idea, or feeling.

'This' is a boundless quiet essence appearing as everything that happens. Every form, thought, feeling, experience, and state. 'This' is One appearing as many. 'This' includes obnoxious rap music, creating artistic projects, cooking an elaborate meal, taking a vacation, working all day, engaging in a passionate hobby, walking through the loud city streets with hundreds of people around you, agonizing in pain from an illness or injury and anything and everything else.

It is a present realization that includes even the story of being a separate person, but one that is ultimately free from the attachment to that story. In that seeing, who you really are, beyond your name, form, and history, lives itself fully in this life in whatever way that happens naturally and effortlessly. It may be sitting quietly without thought. It may be feeling frustrated at work. Whatever is happening to no one. That is real freedom.


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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May 9th

Understanding cause and effect can be confusing if not seen from the proper perspective. The mind deals only in cause and effect. It deals in story, in time. In thought, there is a "you" who has come from the "past" and is going towards a "future." It seems logical to believe that "you" can reach enlightenment, happiness, or something else in the future, that there is action you can take today to reach something tomorrow.

All of that is purely conceptual. There is a timeless awareness here that sees the story of cause and effect as an appearance in awareness. The story of cause and effect arises uncaused. It arises involuntarily and spontaneously.

The notion of a "you" that is coming to some "future state" is merely a product of involuntary, dualistic thought. Thought is not independent of awareness. Without awareness, the story of cause and effect cannot arise. Recognizing timeless awareness is the doorway to non-dual realization. Recognizing timeless awareness is not a doing in time. You cannot do something now to reach awareness later. Timeless awareness is not subject to cause and effect. It is not subject to time. Recognizing timeless awareness is an end in and of itself: the direct, present recognition of the awake space from which the story of cause and effect involuntarily and spontaneously arises.


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: appleorange]
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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
But changing from doing to seeing is doing something.
It is a change that you cause.



I don't feel that as totally true
At times i may at first have the feeling that i am 'doing' inquiry/meditation
When the meditation unfolds & i see from the correct perspective, its the centre that was drawing the mind in

Kickle said:
If we can't do anything, we're puppets to circumstances/karma.
Until the right stuff comes along, we're helpless.

Further, if we cannot do anything, how can we possibly better our karma?
We can't do anything to better or worsen it.


Its actually the idea of 'doing' that causes our sense of self to be a puppet of karma
The idea of doership is the exact same thing that accumalates karma, that sense, that feeling of doing, is what causes karma to collect
If you allow things to happen without the sense of doership then the wheel of karma is broken
The highest goal of karma, dharma, sadhana is to burn off karma, to end it, not to collect more 'better' karma

Its not that im saying you can not do anything, im saying what you truly are has never done anything
Your true nature is Awareness that is beyond the attainment of the mind

It is a commonly held truth within vedanta that the idea of doership is the very thing that keeps one on the rebirth cycle, in samsara
Im not saying 'vedanta says it, so it must be true', im just letting you know that im not talking out my arse here :wink:


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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Around the middle of this video mooji touches on the whole misunderstanding of trying 'to do' attaining 'this'



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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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What's really at the base of this dialogue, is free will.
Are you just along for the ride? Or can you control what happens?
Can you control what happens externally?
Can you control what happens internally?

If neither, you have no free will. You cannot do anything. You can only watch.

I tend to think it's not so. We can control what happens internally, at least to a certain degree. We influence it. And this in turn influences what happens externally. Which is to say that I can both do and be. Being a doer is not a bad thing IMO.


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
What's really at the base of this dialogue, is free will.
Are you just along for the ride? Or can you control what happens?
Can you control what happens externally?
Can you control what happens internally?

If neither, you have no free will. You cannot do anything. You can only watch.

I tend to think it's not so. We can control what happens internally, at least to a certain degree. We influence it. And this in turn influences what happens externally. Which is to say that I can both do and be. Being a doer is not a bad thing IMO.


The most enjoyable way of control that i've come across is paradoxically not controlling anything
In a way not controlling anything is still a kindof control, temporary effort, in that its not going with the usual mindstate
To that extent i can control what happens internally, and it does have great benefit for external things aswell
I just feel that all of that comes out of not trying to control, not holding onto anything, as then everything flourishes

There is a space that is only watching and not attached to anything, and i've found that to be myself
That this 'person' and everything it does, says, and sees, is all the creation of mind
That all this movement of illusion is happeneing by itself, theres no reason to hold to it in any way and try to control it
Theres a sortof control of the mind to remain as this original space, but that space is not controlling anything
So looking at the nature of mind is like a knot that unties itself into emptiness
The doing is an un-doing until you are totally un-done

“Seeking but not finding the house builder I travelled through life after life. How painful is repeated birth!
House-builders, you have now been seen. You will not build the house again”
Buddha


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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Chronic7]
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To be is to do, and to do is to be, so let's all smoke a doobie. :stoned:

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Re: Daily Meditations With Appleorange May 6th [Re: Arden]
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May 10th

Stop and look at life for one moment without thought. In just that one glimpse, life does not fall away. There it is in vivid detail. No thought is necessary to describe it. In fact, no thought describes it anyway. What is, is what is, before any words come to describe or define it. This one glimpse is oneness. It is the direct experience of reality without the veil of thinking.

This reality is seamless. Although there are lines, textures, colors, and forms that create the appearance of separation, there is no true boundary between any two things. Everything seamlessly bleeds into everything else. This glimpse of the seamless oneness is a glimpse into what you really are. You are this one life before life is described and defined.

As thought returns to describe and define what is seen, notice that thought divides this one life into fragments. It pictures a sky, as if the sky is separate from the earth. It pictures a desk, as if the desk is separate from the floor. This is what thought does. It creates the appearance of boundaries that are not really there.

Reality is one seamless whole. Be clear that thought creates the illusion of separation. Once this is clear, the recognition of oneness is not obscured by thought as it returns.


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