fivepointer said:

I already explained how you twisted the 1 tim 2 verses in a previous posting.  You "all men" in context is all types of men as described in the section.  You can't see this because you have created God who is different from the one in scripture.

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Life Upon Death said:

Mr. Mushroom said:

Why would anyone believe in a religion that was forced upon the people violently and with no forgiveness to those that did not believe.

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people are fucked up that's why

we find ways of controlling and screwing up pretty much everything

that doesn't mean the gospel itself is to blame

you will find this within all human movements

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Life Upon Death said:

scriptural proof please

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Mr. Mushroom said:

Life Upon Death said:

Mr. Mushroom said:

Why would anyone believe in a religion that was forced upon the people violently and with no forgiveness to those that did not believe.

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people are fucked up that's why

we find ways of controlling and screwing up pretty much everything

that doesn't mean the gospel itself is to blame

you will find this within all human movements

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But what do you think would happen on this planet, if all of a sudden there was some sort of PROOF that god didn't create the earth and the heavens and something else or nothing at all but evolution was to blame. What kind of movement do you think the people would take then. Would be the beginning of the end if you ask me.

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Life Upon Death said:

Romans 1:

19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

20For (AM)since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, (AN)being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21For even though they knew God, they did not [c]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became (AO)futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22(AP)Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and (AQ)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [d]crawling creatures.

24Therefore (AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be (AS)dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, (AU)who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason (AV)God gave them over to (AW)degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (AX)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, (AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are (AZ)gossips,

30slanderers, (BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, (BB)disobedient to parents,

31without understanding, untrustworthy, (BC)unloving, unmerciful;

32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of (BD)death, they not only do the same, but also (BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them.

explain this verse Calvinist

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fivepointer said:

Life Upon Death said:

Romans 1:

19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

20For (AM)since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, (AN)being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21For even though they knew God, they did not [c]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became (AO)futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22(AP)Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and (AQ)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [d]crawling creatures.

24Therefore (AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be (AS)dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, (AU)who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason (AV)God gave them over to (AW)degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (AX)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, (AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are (AZ)gossips,

30slanderers, (BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, (BB)disobedient to parents,

31without understanding, untrustworthy, (BC)unloving, unmerciful;

32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of (BD)death, they not only do the same, but also (BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them.

explain this verse Calvinist

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This thread is not the place for a Pelagian / Calvinist verse war.

Also telling other posters to "fuck off" is not a fruit of the Spirit.

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fivepointer said:

This forum is not a bible verse discussion group.

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fivepointer said:

This is not dishonest.  This forum is not a bible verse discussion group.  I would be happy to discuss these matters else where.

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dr_gonz said:

fivepointer said:

This is not dishonest.  This forum is not a bible verse discussion group.  I would be happy to discuss these matters else where.

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the thread can be used as such

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Poid said:

Why don't you explain the verses? You're the one who initially posted them!

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deranger said:

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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.