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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Poid]
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Jesus walked on water. :etjesus:


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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Eveyone who has walked outside in the rain has walked on water. :smirk:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
If a paranormal phenomenon has any discernible effect on the physical world, then it can be measured and tested by normal means.


Flawed logic. If 'it can be measured and tested by normal means' it isn't paranormal. :flowstone:

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Middleman]
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So basically, all paranormal phenomenon are unfalsifiable (like God)? :strokebeard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
If a paranormal phenomenon has any discernible effect on the physical world, then it can be measured and tested by normal means.


Flawed logic. If 'it can be measured and tested by normal means' it isn't paranormal. :flowstone:


Then why do these paranormals claim they can guess your fortune, worldly events, and your lottery numbers? When nothing of their predictions turns out to be truth, will you use the same excuse and say that it's impossible to claim the verity of their words because they can't be measures through normal means? What, is there a paranormal parallel Universe in which those guesses were accurate and psychic no. 323 has won a million sparkle fairies?
:irdumbtard:


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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
What, is there a paranormal parallel Universe in which those guesses were accurate and psychic no. 323 has won a million sparkle fairies?
:irdumbtard:


That's a dumb question. Duh. :rolleyes:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Eveyone who has walked outside in the rain has walked on water. :smirk:


Snow, too.


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Let's get the fuck out of here.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Bernackums]
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Your bestest post ever.:thumbup: Where do you come up with this stuff?:whoa:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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Mardock, the sun god that dwells inside me.

Mardock, Son of Eya, Slayer of Timinat.



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Let's get the fuck out of here.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Bernackums]
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You don't say. Well I'll be. No kidding. :whoa:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
If a paranormal phenomenon has any discernible effect on the physical world, then it can be measured and tested by normal means.


Perhaps it has an effect on the psychological world, which can't be measured by any tools.

I've seen many christians absolutely convinced that prayer works.  I'm not a christian so I see no evidence of this, but who am I to say that their system is bunk?  I have my own sense of psychic intuition, but nobody can see it but me.  It's important to separate the physical world from the psychic world.  Obviously I can't meditate hard enough to make a building fall down, and a christain can't pray hard enough to make someone grow a new leg after an amputation.
RR



1.  Since when can't the psychological world be measured with tools?  We do it all the time. i.e. surveys, observations of body position/movement, et cet

2.  Since when is something untestable if it can't be measured with tools?  We do this all the time as well.  i.e. the same examples as given in number one only analyzed. 



Both of these seem fatal to your suggestion, and it should seem so intuitively as well.  How could you ever gather reasonable evidence to believe in some phenomena's effect  if it cannot be detected?  I can think of no answer relevant to the situation discussed presently.


If this stuff exists it does soemthing, and that something could be detected.  If that something is indistinguishable from the universe without the something, then it really doesn't matter anyways, and probably meets the definition of somthing that doesn't exist.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Middleman said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
If a paranormal phenomenon has any discernible effect on the physical world, then it can be measured and tested by normal means.


Flawed logic. If 'it can be measured and tested by normal means' it isn't paranormal. :flowstone:


Then why do these paranormals claim they can guess your fortune, worldly events, and your lottery numbers?


Your question is irrelevant.

Experiences such as NDEs, astral projection, OBEs, which cannot be measured by scientific means, or experienced by the masses, are beyond the ordinary experience, therefore considered supernatural.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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How is it irrelevant? Just because you arbitrarily pick those aspects of the paranormal that supposedly can't be measured? Doesn't make much sense to me, and that's not playing nice. :nono:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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Bathed in your sighs
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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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if they are merely guessing those things, they aren't paranormals :thumbup:

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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Explain me astral projection then. Why can't those people describe the galaxies they see, the solar systems, and how they work? Maybe astrologists can make good use of this information and even identify them with the telescopes.
Also explain me OBE's. People claiming to have had them also say they saw the world around them, the people in other rooms, or even hear the discussions between doctors for those people that had OBE's during a surgery. Why do their stories never fit reality?


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All this time I've loved you
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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Nobody made the claim that these experiences have anything to do with what exists outside of the human mind/body.  The point is, these experiences cannot be measured/seen by scientific means, and are not of the normal day to day experience.  Funny how something so simple can be rendered so complex.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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Hmmm, so let's review this: none of the psychic readings, OBE's, astral travelings and anything else that is "paranormal" have any touch with the external reality. This, of course, would mean that these things solely happen in the mind of the individual. Then why is it that they are pompously called "paranormal activities", when they're merely the active imagination that each and every one of us possesses? Could it be that some people are trying to fool themselves into thinking that they're special and that nobody can imagine things the way they do, just so they can protect their weak and frightened personalities? I think so. :yesnod:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Hmmm, so let's review this: none of the psychic readings, OBE's, astral travelings and anything else that is "paranormal" have any touch with the external reality.


Nobody said this either. 

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This, of course, would mean that these things solely happen in the mind of the individual. Then why is it that they are pompously called "paranormal activities", when they're merely the active imagination that each and every one of us possesses?


It could be imagination, or it could have much more to do with that.  Why pretend we know what something is when in reality we are merely playing a guessing game.  Experiences are pompously labeled things we have created within our own minds.  This labeling is delusion in itself. 

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Could it be that some people are trying to fool themselves into thinking that they're special and that nobody can imagine things the way they do, just so they can protect their weak and frightened personalities? I think so. :yesnod:


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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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Nobody said this either.


Ok then explain why none of these are observable in external reality.  :flowstone:

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It could be imagination, or it could have much more to do with that.  Why pretend we know what something is when in reality we are merely playing a guessing game.  Experiences are pompously labeled things we have created within our own minds.  This labeling is delusion in itself.


Frankly, I have no idea why you pretend to know what you're talking about, when obviously, like you said, you have absolutely no clue, you mumble some terms and then change them to fit your latest conflicting claims. You're the one who made the labeling and tried to explain something "so simple that can be rendered so complex". How stupid is that? :lol:
Why don't you just admit that you're completely clueless?

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:drama:


At least we both agree that those people are drama queens. :wink:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
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Nobody said this either.


Ok then explain why none of these are observable in external reality.


I just said I didn't say it.  Meaning I didn't state my beliefs on that matter.  I felt the need to clarify because you were putting words in my mouth, or it seemed that way at least.

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:flowstone:




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Frankly, I have no idea why you pretend to know what you're talking about, when obviously, like you said, you have absolutely no clue, you mumble some terms and then change them to fit your latest conflicting claims. You're the one who made the labeling and tried to explain something "so simple that can be rendered so complex". How stupid is that? :lol: Why don't you just admit that you're completely clueless?


Whaah.  I'm not the one who is pretending to know what these experiences are.  Please, point me in the direction where I have.

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At least we both agree that those people are drama queens. :wink:


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