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Why do you assume people are talking about repeatable testable events?

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You then ignore frequent reports of personal experience...

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OrgoneConclusion said:

An event is an interaction of two or more forces or collections of matter within time and occurring within our universe. If it is not somehow observable or inferable from observable phenomenon, then the event cannot be rationally said to exist.

Paranormalists time and again claim to have witnessed/experienced some phenomenon and will often tell others that they, too could witness such a thing.

When investigation unveils nothing at all outside of misperception, then the exception clause of 'you must have faith' is added.

BTW, I am not talking about non-repeatable phenomenon, but events claimed to able to be witnessed by all such as Reiki or telekinesis or crop circles or...?

The 'must have faith' condition which was not initially mentioned, itself has never been demonstrated nor is it necessary in any other physical event.

A car in good working order will start every time regardless of the mind state of the driver. Period.

But to say that "I can read minds except when I can't," or "I can read minds when in the presence of other gullible minds who will go along with me no matter what," or any of the thousand other ephemeral claims that dissipate when looked at, is just plain ridiculous.

And Santa Clause will come if you only believe...

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IMO the notion of faith is kind of twisted when it comes to these things.
Lets say that if you witness an angel coming to your room , it is a thought form.
Simply projected as very close to real , if not more real than your "regular" reality.
This specific thought form would appear if, by your previous belief system, an angel is something you believe in and would be comfortable with for communication.
So.. the so called "aliens" would attempt communication in this way.
If you dont believe (have faith) that contact is possible and available to you , then they have nothing to work with, so to speak.
And furthermore , they will not attempt to , unless you request it.

When it comes to telepathy , i dont think "reading minds" is the difficult part.. It would be telling something to somebody that could be tricky..
Now.. you can call it faith.. But it is a matter of how receptive the person is , how he would analyze this contact , and whether he willingly agrees to it.
As far as telekinesis goes.. Only the one performing it has to believe he can.
And then.. you need to master the skill of it..
Its not really like riding a bike..
Takes a lot of energy , and if more people are focused on the same action it would be more probable to manifest itself.

So.. If you want contact with higher spiritual beings , and santa clause wont scare you , and you would like to "see him" for example..
It might just happen..And you would have a big fat santa clause explaining to you the nature of consciousness

Not to say it would be really him

Again.. this is what i believe and im sorry if it hinders the debate ..if it was requested.

Grapefruit said:

Why do you assume people are talking about repeatable testable events? I don't think it neccassarily exists but you seem to refute all possibility simply because it can't be tested. You then ignore frequent reports of personal experience and others observations of the experience simply because it wasn't in a lab. I don't get it.

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Icelander said:But even if I had a personal experience I wouldn't trust my senses completely to the extent to announce to the world that it was reality.

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But even if I had a personal experience I wouldn't trust my senses completely to the extent to announce to the world that it was reality.

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deCypher said:

What knife?

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