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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: backfromthedead]
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Yea.........the last time I went to church
and everyone started to fall down on the floor.
I sure felt like one for being there
Lol.... again my apologies


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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:lol:

I really could care less.:mushroom2:


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: backfromthedead]
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Here is a good read seeing as how you
are open to the other side of things.
I just finished it,its a paranormal.

Joe Bullar
waiting for Agnus
The coral castle


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: backfromthedead]
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backfromthedead said:
"there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature."

When you discover this at the very core of your being...  You know its you...  Ahem, too.:shrug:



I think most of the intelligence must be somewhere other than with the human race.

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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Quote:
Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."


I'm gonna have to agree with Mr Einstein here. The guy was a lot more than a genius.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Eh? Who can say what's real and what's not? Certaintly not einstein or anyone else.

God a product of man's weakness? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? No way to prove either side so there isn't any point trying. God can't be explained through science. Or through words. God can be felt or at least we think we can feel god. Then again the same goes for seperateness. Both can be felt, you can feel neither aswell. So there isn't anyway you can know.

You can see intelligent design with just as much validity as you can not see it. You can't prove either. It's only a feeling, even if it was a genius like einstein feeling it. There's no real truth to it, nothing you can prove.


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"Chat your fraff
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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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hitch hiker said:
LONDON - Albert Einstein: arch rationalist or scientist with a spiritual core?


Since when did these become mutually exclusive?

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: Quarryman]
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This was part of the clip not my words.
I find it hard to agree with a journalists
perspective.

Here ya go:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/?GT1=43001


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: Grapefruit]
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Quote:
Eh? Who can say what's real and what's not? Certaintly not einstein or anyone else.

God a product of man's weakness? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? No way to prove either side so there isn't any point trying. God can't be explained through science. Or through words. God can be felt or at least we think we can feel god. Then again the same goes for seperateness. Both can be felt, you can feel neither aswell. So there isn't anyway you can know.

You can see intelligent design with just as much validity as you can not see it. You can't prove either. It's only a feeling, even if it was a genius like einstein feeling it. There's no real truth to it, nothing you can prove.


Everything which you experience is as real as it gets, it is the only reality you have access to. You might like to interpret and categorize between experiences but it quickly gets messy and out of hands, in part because we are not aware of our own assumptions.

Also, intelligent design is not valid because it doesn't address the design of this intelligence.

Sure, nothing can be proved absolutely but I like to entertain the idea that everything can be rationally debated up to asymptotic certainty when using proper tools, all the while keeping in mind under which assumptions one's working. Call me boring or jaded but that's why questioning one's assumptions often lead to interesting insights.

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Since when did these become mutually exclusive?


Since people started capitalizing gods and called it spiritual. There's also this lingering human tendency to appreciate the smell of their own brain fart.

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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Yea I know. The reporter stance seems silly.

Quote:
Einstein, who helped unravel the mysteries of the universe with his theory of relativity, expressed complex and arguably contradictory views on faith, perceiving a universe suffused with spirituality while rejecting organized religion.


:rolleyes:

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
Eh? Who can say what's real and what's not? Certainly not Einstein or anyone else.

God a product of man's weakness? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? No way to prove either side so there isn't any point trying. God can't be explained through science. Or through words. God can be felt or at least we think we can feel god. Then again the same goes for separateness. Both can be felt, you can feel neither Oswell. So there isn't anyway you can know.

You can see intelligent design with just as much validity as you can not see it. You can't prove either. It's only a feeling, even if it was a genius like Einstein feeling it. There's no real truth to it, nothing you can prove.


This is kind of the duality that I thought was interesting with the letter that was found.
Einstein was very smart not to all together refute
the existence of a higher power.
It might have been a bad move.
Like when the Beatles made the mistake of
stating they were greater than God.
Einstein was smart enough to stay away from this
subject.


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: Quarryman]
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Yeah, he can't believe you don't need someone to tell you what to believe.  :shocked:

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: deimya]
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Everything which you experience is as real as it gets, it is the only reality you have access to. You might like to interpret and categorize between experiences but it quickly gets messy and out of hands, in part because we are not aware of our own assumptions.

Also, intelligent design is not valid because it doesn't address the design of this intelligence.

Sure, nothing can be proved absolutely but I like to entertain the idea that everything can be rationally debated up to asymptotic certainty when using proper tools, all the while keeping in mind under which assumptions one's working. Call me boring or jaded but that's why questioning one's assumptions often lead to interesting insights.


If everything is you experience is a real as it gets and you can experience god and you can experience self. Then both are true? No not neccasarily, experience isn't neccasarily real. If you were on acid and everything was morphing and shifting then someone else who was not on acid came into the room they wouldn't see this morphing and shifting just because that's what you're experiencing.

No experience can be proved real, including self or oneness. In my opinion all either of these experiences do is get in the way of life. That's why i choose to see neither.


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"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

Edited by Grapefruit (05/15/08 09:48 AM)

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: Grapefruit]
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'No experience can be proved real...'

This is what the double blind studies are all about. Good Friday experiment?? Strassman's work??


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: deimya]
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My personal take on Religion is not good.
I see far too many holes in the fabric to sway
and reinterpret what is right and wrong.

I believe that we are born knowing whats right and
wrong and generally humanity is a kind species.
Its the later conditioning by society that makes
some of us motherfuckers and others quite pleasant.

I would however like to believe that we are not alone
and that there is something working along side of us.
Weather it be other life forms that have been changing
things for the better or what not.

I do feel that if you start disproving the Bible`s
time line through science or even a find of a new species.
It would seriously upset those that are in need of a crutch and send them out into the streets
like a bunch of crazed lunatics.


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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'It would seriously upset those that are in need of a crutch and send them out into the streets
like a bunch of crazed lunatics.'

Do I hear wailing and gnashing of teeth??  Is it time to start shouting from the rooftops, yet??:tongue:


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: backfromthedead]
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Lol..nice
Strassmans work with Dmt?
Is that what you are referring to?


Strassman says, "I suggest that DMT alters the receiving qualities of the brain, and employ a television analogy. Personal healing occurs by an enhancement of 'contrast and focus'; invisible worlds and entity contact takes place by changing the reception of 'channels'..."

Shamans exploit their knowledge of the chemistry of rainforest plants, and use DMT to "see" beyond the veils of normal reality. Indigenous people who have experienced DMT through the ingestion of potions made using the ayahuasca vine are fully aware of the channels beyond normal consciousness. Jeremy Narby records that natives of the Amazon region often refer to ayahuasca as "the television of the forest." One of Narby's major conclusions set out in his book, The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and The Origins of Knowledge, is remarkably reflected in the notes of a DMT session taken down by Dr Strassman. The subject said she discovered that:

"God dances in every cell of my body, and every cell of life dances in God."



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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: Grapefruit]
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Get rid of your assumptions of what is real, what is god, what is self and what is oneness (really whatever they mean) and reread my post. I'm just saying that the only thing you have, your only data about the world are your experiences. Everything else is assumptions on your part which leads to relatively good or bad interpretations.

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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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'Strassmans work with Dmt?'

And psilocybin.

MAPS too.


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Re: Einstein was smart enough to believe in himself not God [Re: hitch hiker]
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Einstein explicitly stated he believed in God on several occassions. Here is one:
Quote:
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)


Einstein on the neccesity of mystical experience for humanity:
Quote:
The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)


Einstein on the question of religion being incompatible with science:
Quote:
Religion is concerned with man's attitude towards nature at large, with the establishing of ideals for the individual and communal life, and with human mutual relationship. These ideals religion attempts to attain by exerting an educational influence on tradition and through the development and promulgation of certain easily accessible thoughts and narratives (epics and myths) which are apt to influence evaluation and action along the lines of accepted ideals.
It is this mythical, or rather symbolic, content of the religious traditions which is likely to come into conflict with science. This occurs whenever this religious stock of ideas contains dogmatically fixed statements on subjects which belong in the domain of science. (Albert Einstein, 1948)


Link


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Society in every form is a blessing,
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