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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Our reality is just reflections of light.


But what is light. Is it a tangible "thing" or is it merely the perceived effect of a process we don't yet comprehend....this nonsensical circular logic could go on forever.


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: blewmeanie]
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So, from this exchange we can at least agree that we do not experience the world as it is "out there" but as it is within our minds.

Obviously.


Imagine a big black rorshach ink blot. That represents the universe. Now imagine a few tiny robots within the blot that shoot out detection lasers in different directions. You can lift the heads off of these robots and see the internal maps the bots have made using the lasers. Each map looks significantly different.

Robot 1
His map looks (to me) like a children's maze in a newspaper and the other bots look like R2D2s.

Robot 2
Her map looks like an MC Escher drawing and the other bots look like C3POs.

Robot 2 lifts the head off of Robot 1 and sees his map as a series of matrixes.

When they communicate, however, she says "let's meet in the lower right corner of the room", and both of their maps show this movement.


I would make a point out of this little scenario but I'm just having a fun hallucination in a rorshach ink blot :crazy2:.

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said:
So, from this exchange we can at least agree that we do not experience the world as it is "out there" but as it is within our minds.




Is there a difference? At what point do "I" end and "the world" begin? In samadhi I can not differentiate.

More importantly why is it that some people see this, but most do not...drats


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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We are ALWAYS peering into the past whether it be milliseconds or a billion years.

This is a bit tangential, but apropos:

There is evidence from neurological science that suggest even our volition comes into our conscious awareness about 200 milliseconds AFTER the neurological machinery that generated it absent our conscious input finished the job.

I've posted this before, but here it is again for those who missed it last time.

In the 1980s, neurologist Benjamin Libet conducted an interesting experiment. He used a tool called an electroencephalograph (EEG) to map the electrical activity in his experimental subjects' motor cortex. This is the part of the brain from which muscle movement is caused to occur.

His subjects were placed in front of a special clock with a hand that went around once per second. They were then asked to press a button at random times. Each time the button was pressed, the position of the clock hand was recorded electronically and the subject was asked what the position of the hand was when they first became aware of their intention to press the button.

For example, the clock hand spinning once per second reaches the 3 and at that instant you decide to randomly press the button. There is a short delay between that instant and the actual pressing of the button. This is due to nerve propagation delays and the time it takes the finger muscle to contract.

The freaky part is that the EEG showed neurological activity leading to the eventual nerve signal to the finger BEFORE the clock reached 3.

This means that the brain was ALREADY well into the neurological windup for the button press BEFORE your volition decided at the 3 mark to randomly press the button.

On average, the subjects reported awareness of their intention to press the button about 200 milliseconds before the button was actually pressed. Again, this is expected due to nerve propagation delays and the delay in the contraction of the finger muscle.

But the activity in the motor cortex leading to the pressing of the button began 500 milliseconds before the button press. This is 300 milliseconds (1/3 second) BEFORE the subject consciously willed the button press.

If, as found in this experiment, the brain has already taken steps to initiate an action BEFORE we are even aware of wanting the action to take place, then the causal role of conscious volition is eliminated.

This experiment shows that something preceding consciousness must be responsible for volition and the subjective sensation that our consciousness is in charge of our actions is an illusion.

So, 'who' started that neurological windup BEFORE you decided to press the button? If there is such a thing as a soul and it's the seat of consciousness as many believe, then how can it be that it is not involved in the decision to begin the neurological chain of events that eventually lead to volitional acts?


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Diploid]
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that is excellent

im happy to have a neurological springboard

rather than a neurological self

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Diploid]
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Two points:

1. They didn't test everyone.

2. :razz: (not sure who typed that!)


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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What I get from what you are saying is that there while there is a NOW all the input our senses are receiving and responding to are never from now but from then. 

(See I'm in proper stoner mode)  :jointsmile:


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: mushbaby]
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Exactly!

So how can someone say when something does or does not exist when our perception of the event or object is seemingly happening now?


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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And you are asking yourself this as well I hope.

I'm sure perception vs. fact have been discussed once or twice 'round here.


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: mushbaby]
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Quote:
Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?
Colonel Sandurz: Now. You're looking at now sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
Dark Helmet: What happened to then?
Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now, now.
Dark Helmet: Go back to then!
Colonel Sandurz: When?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: Now?
Dark Helmet: Now!
Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
Dark Helmet: Why?
Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
Dark Helmet: How soon?
Video Operator: Sir!



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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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Spaceballs??


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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explains everything

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