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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Astronomers see stars that no longer exist
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No, this is not an astronomy or cosmology thread, but is more about time and perception.

Astronomers know roughly how long stars live, how fast light travels and roughly how far away these stars are/were. Accordingly, the earliest stars are said to have stopped existing billions of years ago even though light is just now reaching us.

But...

You go to a live concert. You are a few hundred feet from the stage and are seeing the musicians as they were nanoseconds ago and hearing the music played milliseconds ago.

And of course, be sure to add in the time it takes the brain to process the light and sound into something you can recognize.

No matter how small a time frame, we are always witnessing the past.

So, if we are currently witnessing something (not a recorded medium) can it truly be said to no longer exist?


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Obviously, yes.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I guess it still exists in some form in your mind.

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: DimensionX]
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Which is why photos are so important to us...

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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Raises questions for me about what people experience while tripping. If i observe and take part in entity contact or somthing along those lines does that make it real in some sense?

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: DimensionX]
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that all goes down to if a tree falls in the forest

the truth is, your imagination is the end of your potential

the only things that exist are the thing that you truly believe exist

it has nothing to do with multiple people believing it
If you're off your rocker and you TRULY believe leprechauns are trying to take your nose hairs, then who's to say they aren't real?


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: anarchOi]
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Your brain is the recording medium, imo.
I feel that the ongoing experience of existence is encoded therein generation after generation.
Therefore, the past and these fleeting moments of NOW only exist as memory moment by moment.
Perhaps the mind/brain is the entry point into what has been called The Akashic Record.
I feel that we are all recording much more than we are witnessing.
A reproduction at least exists.


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: backfromthedead]
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I suppose it depends on the time of your brain processing what you are seeing, hearing etc...i think the less hung up on attachments to the past or future the more your experiencing reality (right now) as the only "reality" is right now.

:peace:


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Chronic7]
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Is not this 'only reality' of NOW a result of the incredibly complex chain of events in the past??
To know NOW I feel you need to both asses your personal history and take into account past world events that resulted in the way we find the planet today.


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Actually, they see light from stars which no longer exist. If we had the technology to view those far-distant stars, we would not see what no longer exists. Similarly, I can listen to CD's recorded by musicians who have since died, movies featuring stars who are long dead, etc... I am not seeing or hearing anything which no longer exists, but rather experiencing what DOES exist.

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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zomg, flashback to The Electric Kool-aid Acid Test

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Veritas]
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Quote:
Actually, they see light from stars which no longer exist.


Difference?


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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The light exists, so you cannot claim that we are seeing something which no longer exists.  :shrug:

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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So you don't see a distinction between yourself and your great-great grandfather? Does the fact that you exist now mean that your great-great grandfather still exists? :strokebeard:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: fireworks_god]
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Seems I am failing to express myself properly.

We are ALWAYS peering into the past whether it be milliseconds or a billion years. How do we know whether something exists or not because our data is ALWAYS late - it can be no other way. It is our perception in the NOW that gives us information about something that already happened.

I guess I am alluding to frames of reference.

If the sun just now (whatever that means) burned out, its gravity, light and heat would keep coming for roughly 8 minutes. By the time that we could say the sun no longer exists, we would already be dead.


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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We cannot "peer into the past."  That is the problem with your thesis--we can only experience the present.  What we are experiencing may be more-accurately described as evidence in support of the existence of ____________, rather than proof of said existence.

Is this what you are getting at?  :confused:

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Veritas]
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Wait a minute, the buzz wore off. :spliff: Must restimulate stoner/cosmic brain center.


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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Never ever ever try to out debate Veritas.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Our reality is just reflections of light.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Astronomers see stars that no longer exist [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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That's fairly deep :thumbup: I guess.:sun:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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