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Yes, God created evil
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There is already in existence a thread similar to this one in the Mysticism and Paranormal forum (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7356131/an/0/page/0) yet I felt the need to bring this topic into P&S so that it may be explored unbridledly.
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Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

"God" is fucking us all in the ass.

Let's make this more clear: (To be sure, we are presupposing that God actually exists). God created the universe and all things that subsist within it. Right. Thus, God created Satan, sin, and evil altogether as we know it, knowing ahead of time what the consequence of his creating these entities and non-entities would be. Free will is truly irrelevant here. Hence, it is God's fault that all good and bad things have occurred within this universe.

Perhaps I should leave this conundrum up to Epicurus: β€œIs God willing to prevent evil, but unable? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Then why call him God?”

Edited by vigilant_mind (09/29/07 05:53 PM)

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: vigilant_mind]
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This is all real nice but no overwhelming  evidence exists for God being anything other than a creation of the human :tongue:mind.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Icelander]
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But what a great distraction from all of the worldly matters, to immerse yourself in a cult with many contradictions, and to try and not go insane by understanding it all. Some people can remove themselves entirely from real life. In the old days they were known as monks. Now they are known as MMORPG players.


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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Visionary Tools]
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That would all be fine if these "dreamers" would quit bothering people who don't give a flying fuck about their insane bullshit. This is what asylums are for, to keep total nut cases out of sight.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Icelander]
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That's why I like monks that take a vow of silence. All religious folk should be silent. It's what god demands. I know, because I'm not always bitching to him, so he tells me stuff.


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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Visionary Tools]
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:thumbup:

God tells you stuff?:whoa: Not about me I hope. I hate it when non-existent entities talk behind my back.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (09/29/07 06:38 PM)

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: backfromthedead]
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Evil is an opposition. It's negative to positive, or empty to full. It's friction.

And God? What is God? I've heard he is a guide, he is a direction or a path.

So to me, your statement is like saying motion caused friction.

No sir, evil created god.


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and the hippos were boiled in their tanks

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Icelander]
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This is what asylums are for, to keep total nut cases out of sight.



But if you'll settle down and take your meds, the staff will allow you one more hour of internet access.


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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Evil is a human concept...nothing more. It has no objective existence outside of human agreement.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Evil is nothing but the darkness waiting to be filled with light. The darkness is distinguished by the existence of light, and we would not know what darkness is except that there is light.

So if you see evil in the world, then there must be a greater good to overcome it with, or else you would not hate evil things at all.


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
This is what asylums are for,


Asylum... Forum... is there a difference?


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You are a fortunate person indeed, if you can begin each day accepting the fact that during that day there will be ups and downs, good breaks and bad ones, disappointments, surprises, and unexpected turns of events.

When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: hummermania00]
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Interface :smirk:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: MushroomTrip]
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:crazy2::lol:


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You are a fortunate person indeed, if you can begin each day accepting the fact that during that day there will be ups and downs, good breaks and bad ones, disappointments, surprises, and unexpected turns of events.

When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: stellar renegade]
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No...evil is a human idea dependent on human judgment.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Icelander]
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This is all real nice but no overwhelming evidence exists for God being anything other than a creation of the human mind.


I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I'm most definitely not asserting that God exists. I am a staunch atheist.

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Evil is a human concept...nothing more. It has no objective existence outside of human agreement.



I agree with you, yet the fact that evil is simply a non-entity, a man-made concept, does not void the irrefutable necessity that it be discussed.

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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The bastard.. i always knew he was behind it all..


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dubiousness
Dubious compound

it is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.
A penalty for possession of a drug/plant should not be more damaging than the drug/plant itself.

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Visionary Tools]
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That's why I like monks that take a vow of silence. All religious folk should be silent. It's what god demands. I know, because I'm not always bitching to him, so he tells me stuff.


Does he point out amazing facts like this?

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A raisin dropped in a glass of fresh champagne will bounce up and down continually from the bottom of the glass to the top.


your god would probably have given you some moral advice.:rolleyes:


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: Visionary Tools]
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A raisin dropped in a glass of fresh champagne will bounce up and down continually from the bottom of the glass to the top.


Ladies and gentleman, we have the honor to present you the Super Raisin! :yesnod:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Yes, God created evil [Re: vigilant_mind]
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It's the 'shadow' of creation, filled out by creation itself.
It's the non-existent, lurking sneaking into existence, but only to destroy what it got onto.
Until it will be illuminated to bring original existence back again :wink:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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