Teotzlcoatl said:

you guys are fuckin retarded....

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You guys have no argument, all your doing is making smart ass remarks, ARGUE WITH ME! Gimme some FACTS give me something besides - "I'm Jesus Christ" shut the fuck up, unless you got something worth saying...

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Actually, I had made a valid presentation. You were proposing the idea that there was evidence that Buddha was tripping on mushrooms in this story because of the fact that he stated that he had seen a multitude of gods surrounding him. My statement that I have used psychadelic mushrooms several times and yet have never seen any gods surrounding me implies that psychadelic mushroom usage, in and of itself, does not mean that an individual is going to see a mulitude of gods surrounding them.

You asked who I was. Don't ask a question and tell the person to shut the fuck up when they answer you. If you were honestly interested in presenting an idea for discussion and having it developed by undergoing criticial analysis and dissenting viewpoints, as is the intention of this specific forum, then you would not be resorting to these "tatics" of insulting others and giving commands as to how people are to post.

You ask for facts but you haven't presented anything factual yourself, and the notions you have presented have been subjected to critical analysis. That's the name of the game. You have been "argued" with, and you don't seem to be handling it very well, considering how you've chosen to violate the rules.

I am not the Buddha but, alas, neither are you, and you seem to be using your conception of himself and his nature as some kind of objective substance to support your claims. I seem to recall asking you what "true enlightenment" is, but have not yet seen a response from you in regards to that. How could you propose what the experience of some, technically unknown to us, individual who has attained a state of being that you cannot describe, while on psychadelic compounds would be in comparison to ourselves, and use that as a basis for your speculations as to the nature of his death?

The Crow said:

is a philosophy and a branch of Buddhism that follows all of Buddha's teachings, but denies him as a powerful deity. It teaches that he was simply a supremely gifted individual, but not a god.

Buddhism, like Satanism and now that I think about it, dozens of religions, is pretty solid stuff once you take out all the supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

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Teotzlcoatl said:

im talking to all of u

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You're talking non sense

Teotzlcoatl said:

im talking to all of u

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Teotzlcoatl said:

sorry i got all pissed... I was drunk.... But it really does seem to me all your doing is making smartass remarks...a fully enlightened person would be a person on the level of Buddha...

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Fire said-"How could you propose what the experience of some, technically unknown to us, individual who has attained a state of being that you cannot describe, while on psychadelic compounds would be in comparison to ourselves, and use that as a basis for your speculations as to the nature of his death? "

Then how come you said" ive eaten mushrooms and never say gods, again you contridict yourself"

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Why don't you respond to some of the above...

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I already responded to all of that. Why don't you actually engage in discussion instead of calling everyone else's valid points "smart-ass" and refusing to acknowledge that other people have already replied to your amazing points?

Teotzlcoatl said:

To everyone Else- If you would like to offer some real reasoning behind your smart ass remarks, then tell me something like- "the ancient text clearly are talking about pork, I speak the original language the text where written in and understand it fluently, I am very familiar with the word....etc." But offer wise fuck off...

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We are free to post in any manner consistent with the rules and intentions of this forum. This, of course, applies to you as well, and if I see you tell anyone else to fuck off for not conforming to your idea as to how they are to respond, you will receive a temporary forum ban.

I've personally already raised valid lines of reasoning in response to several of your assertions, all of which you have failed to address. Every single aspect of the foundation of your basis for your speculation, from the possibillity that there was a mistranslation, to the simple fact that his last meal included mushrooms, to the fact that he stated that he saw a multitude of gods, has been directly criticized, all of which have not yet received a compelling response from you.

Ultimately, you are assuming first that it was possible and trying to bend all of these "unknown possibilities" to align behind your allegation. Furthermore, the same standard that you would hold to our responses would, by necessity, need to apply to your own speculation. If you expect us to be Sanskrit scholars with access to the original texts in order to hold a substansial perspective on the matter, then the same automatically applies to your own perspective. You have no grounds upon which to place your speculation if this standard is to apply.

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All I'm saying is speculation justifiable, i am not saying- "O MY GOD, THE BUDDHA DIED ON 'SHROOMS, IT'S FACT!!!!!"

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And all I'm saying is that it isn't actually justifiable.

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Daytripper is right, this certainly would not be the first cover up of the use of psychedelics in religion...

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So now it is allegedly a cover up?