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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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God is real and he WILL prove himself for I have heard his voice. I know you as well as many others on here have been misled. God sent me here to train me in what I will be doing when the time comes. God loves you even though you don't believe.

God has a message for you. If you don't need God, and he doesn't exist your life would be perfect right? You would have everything you need, and would be infinitely happy, but somehow I don't see this in you for one reason there is much happier places than where we are now, so why are you here if you don't need God? Can you ascend to higher places on your own? God created us for him. He created us for love and put us here so that we can decide to be with him or without him. By deciding for him we give our lives to Christ Jesus, by living for the things of God and no longer for ourselves.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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God is real and he WILL prove himself for I have heard his voice.


If you're literally hearing voices then you may be a paranoid schizophrenic. Visit a psychiatrist.

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God has a message for you. If you don't need God, and he doesn't exist your life would be perfect right? You would have everything you need, and would be infinitely happy,


Of course, this all depends on your perception, but no one's life is perfect. Not even that of Christians. In fact, I'd say that religious folk seem more miserable than the rest of us.

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but somehow I don't see this in you


You know nothing about me bud. Don't even try.

You're preaching to the choir man. I was a fundamentalist Christian. I've been where you are. You are in need of a stark epiphany my friend. There is much more to life than your stilted version of Christianity.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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To imply that heaven is someplace other than earth...are you saying that this is hell? Why do I have to die before I can experience what you call heaven? I'm already there. Here. 'God' gave me a cool body and a reality full of awesome trippy substances where I could start a revolution or have an orgy or fly a helicopter. What isn't heavenly about that?

Please leave Jesus out of this. The guy will probably be shaking his head for eternity at all the nonesense that is proclaimed in his name. I think he was just trying to help people understand that life would be a lot easier if we'd be more compassionate towards each other and have faith in life itself. I have no doubt that Jesus was God or that you and I are either. Forget about Jesus. We'd be much better off to just start over with trying to understand God/life/love/universe/ourselves.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Grok]
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I THOUGHT I was happy until I found God, God lead me to Jesus & told me that Jesus was his means of saving us. We must go to Jesus if we are to be saved. Jesus was sinless & suffered & died for our sins. We all have sin, so we must go to Jesus to be cleansed of our sin. Having Faith is a process, each day I renew my faith, faith without works=weak faith
faith with works=strong faith.

By trying to imitate what Jesus did, with the help of the Holy Spirit we show our desire for God's kingdom. Sin does not exist in God's Kingdom so we must avoid sin here to show him we no longer desire what isn't in his kingdom. We must also desire what IS in his kingdom, we show this through our actions.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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I THOUGHT I was happy until I found God, God lead me to Jesus & told me that Jesus was his means of saving us. We must go to Jesus if we are to be saved


This reminds me so much of the Scientology episode of South Park when Stan gets audit counseling for a "nominal fee" and is then told, to his surprise, how really depressed he is. lol

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faith, faith without works=weak faith
faith with works=strong faith.


And who said that? You? Faith with or without works is still faith.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Its in the bible, sorry I'm not much for specifying quotes from the bible, its written in my heart, God reminds me of what needs to be said now anyways.
Here's some places in the bible it says it.
James 2:18, James 2:26, John 14:23

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Not one for specifying quotes from the bible, my ass...
anyways...
http://bible.cc/james/2-18.htm
http://bible.cc/james/2-26.htm
http://bible.cc/john/14-23.htm


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People are always promising the apocalypse. They never deliver. :frown:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
How can you say such terrible things about your creator? & your savior Jesus? Do you know that without God we would all be nothing? I sense the evil one very strong here. In the name of JESUS CHRIST our savior for the sake of his glorious name, set your captives FREE from the evil one. Free your imprisoned children from bondage for the sake of your name in Christ Jesus. For those without faith, I ask thee Lord Jesus to send a sign so that your glory may be manifested here. Send out a sign to the unbelievers so that they may know that you are the CHRIST. I forgive all those here who have spoken against your name for they are being misled by the evil one. Set your captives free for the sake of your name so that they may KNOW you are the savior Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen

Our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken to me, he WILL send out a sign for the unbelievers.


Swami is that you?  :rofl:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Icelander]
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Christianity is such a farse that the doctrin they believe in has whole errancies dedicated to pointing out it's contradictions.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/christianity/errancy.html

I am sure Jesus is rolling in that old bone box of his at all the shit people do or try to do in his name.. Poor son of a bitch..

Separate christian groups can't even agree with each other on the Bible and not only that, Christianity is so irrational that you really have to lie to yourself to believe it. I was a born again christian and I will never lie to myself or others like that ever again.. Never..

I guess I am an All-American anti-christ now..
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http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2002/08/dear-believer.php
Finally, Christianity is harmful. More people have been killed in the name of a god than for any other reason. The Church has a shameful, bloody history of Crusades, Inquisitions, witch-burnings, heresy trials, American colonial intolerance, disrespect of indigenous traditions (such as American Indians), support of slavery, and oppression of women. Modern “fruits” of religion include the Jonestown massacre, the callous fraud of “faith healers,” recent wars and ethnic cleansing, and fighting in Northern Ireland. Religion also poses a danger to mental health, damaging self-respect, personal responsibility, and clarity of thought."




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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Mr_Prickles]
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Mr_Prickles said:
Plus, the canon of the Bible was selected by humans well after it was written, so some of the books may be less trustworthy than others, and there may be other texts out there (the gospel of Judas being the most recent example) that may be closer to the truth.




Free Apocrypha (non-cannon books):
http://www.comparative-religion.com/christianity/apocrypha/


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Sorry I didn't get a chance to post on here till now. Before I answer I have just ONE question to ask everyone that posted. What is God's purpose for creating us.


If we were created by God, the only purpose one could surmise is that we were simply created to exist. Anything beyond that is not provable.. We don't even need God to create us. Even without God, we are simply here to exist.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: MAGnum]
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Surely we gain something by incarnating.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
My God is a God of pure Love who sends NO ONE to hell! I am not always good at explaining on how to find him, please forgive me all of you. God is so great I am in his presence right now! Wouldn't you want to follow a God that is so loving and forgiving as the one I know through Christ Jesus? I am sorry if I offended anyone, I didn't mean it. It's hard sometimes.

I LOVE you ALL my brothers!

May we all experience eternal happiness in heaven!!!



You have asserted God loves everyone without exception, then how do you reconcile the verses for election and reprobation below?

On election:

Eph 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

2 Th2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Romans 9:21-23 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)


On reprobation:

1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Mat 11:25-26 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Ro 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Heaven is such a childish concept. So many Christians are driven by pure selfishness in their faith: avoid the punishment of hell, seek the rewards of heaven... a simpleton's guide to morality and belief. It's about the same way you train small children and pets.


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And as things fell apart,
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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Trepiodos]
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God does love ALL his children. Just not all his children WANT to be with him in heaven. For some people hell looks like heaven to them and that is why they go there. Just look at the posts people are putting here, right now they are not headed for heaven cause they don't want to go there. but God still loves you even if you don't choose him.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
God does love ALL his children. Just not all his children WANT to be with him in heaven. For some people hell looks like heaven to them and that is why they go there. Just look at the posts people are putting here, right now they are not headed for heaven cause they don't want to go there. but God still loves you even if you don't choose him.


What if I don't want Heaven or Hell?

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Want to go to heaven?


No. "In heaven, all the interesting people are missing."

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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vigilant_mind said:
Demotriton said:
God does love ALL his children. Just not all his children WANT to be with him in heaven. For some people hell looks like heaven to them and that is why they go there. Just look at the posts people are putting here, right now they are not headed for heaven cause they don't want to go there. but God still loves you even if you don't choose him.


What if I don't want Heaven or Hell?


Being whats going to happen to the world, I don't know why you wouldn't want God's mercy. You might end up being tricked into choosing hell if you don't choose God. Sorry, God put us on this earth to choose, thats one of the reasons things are going to happen the way they will, to get people to choose one or the other. but thats something you need to decide for yourself. God has shown me heaven, its beyond description and is indescribably awesome. Pure Love is the greatest thing, love on earth doesn't even come the smallest fraction close to what Love is in heaven. It takes on a whole new meaning. Everyone is in Love with everyone else, everything is in harmony, we all share each others thoughts, feelings and experiences as if we are one but we are still separate some how (hard to describe) Everything is made of light & full of love, there is so much going on you could get lost standing still. God is beyond description in heaven, he has such great love, I can't even begin to describe. Jesus' love is pretty indescribable, God's just blows you away for all eternity. Its awesome, but I can see why some people don't choose it, I initially didn't choose it because I didn't want the intimacy that is with everyone in heaven, I wanted my own world all to myself, not so in heaven we share EVERYTHING. Not everyone is ready for heaven.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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I'd like to say a couple of words...

Please do not take offense as these are my personal views.

Firstly I would like to say that I do not believe in a God. It is my opinion that the notion is maintained by the human brain for two reasons 1/ in an effort to explain that which we cannot (yet) 2/ self preservation instinct refuses to accept the finality of death.

I also think is no logical reason why you should continue to exist in some disembodied form after your physical existence comes to an end.

The mind is a wonderful thing but we are no different to any other life form - we live, we die, end of story. We should really not have the presumption that we are any different because we learned to communicate abstract thought and recognise ourselves in a mirror.

With all do respect to those that believe otherwise, I for one do not think there is a heaven or a hell, just what we make of the time we have here. I do not need to believe in any of these to make me a good person.


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Look around and choose your own ground
For long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be ......

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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How can you verify the existence of a heaven? What proof do you have of such a place? Why is it important to you to believe in a conscious existence beyond death?


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