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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Oh yeah, ask Him how my dead Father is doing, too.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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All I can tell you is that Jesus Loves you very much & would love to save you if only you would let him. Loosen up bro! God is cool. Why don't you believe me?

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
All I can tell you is that Jesus Loves you very much & would love to save you if only you would let him. Loosen up bro! God is cool. Why don't you believe me?


You didn't answer my questions. Since you're in the presence of "God," tell him to knock on my door...right now.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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You need to let him into your life and actually want a relationship with him for what he really is and not what you think he is. God is really cool, he shows me more about him everyday.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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I think I like Satan better.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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vigilant_mind said:
I think I like Satan better.


Why?


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said:
vigilant_mind said:
I think I like Satan better.


Why?


I'm just antagonizing Demotriton in order to prolong debate. I actually don't believe in Satan as being a literal personage. I consider him to be the archetypal image of mankind's collective vicissitudes. Some call Satan the shadow of Christianity.

Hail Satan!:satansmoking::satan::devil:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I'm just antagonizing Demotriton in order to prolong debate.

And he's doing the same with you. :rotfl:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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To love God is not to analyze or question his love. We have proof of his love on the cross. For me, I am happier to SERVE God than to RULE in hell. I would rather be humble, than full of pride. I would rather be broken than strong.

I would rather belong to God than to the world.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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To love God is not to analyze or question his love.


And who decided that? You?

You would think that a being who constructed humans "in His image" would anticipate our critical inquiry.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Why would you question God's Love? Who knows more him or us?

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Why would you question God's Love? Who knows more him or us?


I question "God" because He made me this way. I question "God" because I find it arrogant of our species to assume that we alone are privy to a paradisal afterlife.

If there is a "God," when I arrive to Him postmortem I will tell him, "Hey, it's not my fault for questioning you. You made me this way." And if there isn't a "God," well hey, that's just peachy, is it not?

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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"We have proof of his love on the cross"
Proof of LOVE by KILLING ? By dieing ? By letting his own 'son' be killed ?

NO ! Not for me. I think that is utterly BS.

Jesus could have preached much more, could have done much more good deeds. Perhaps he would have refined his 'insights' by becoming older, at least he died quite young and his teachings remained kind of 'childish' and 'naive'.
People grow up and he would have seen better what that means.

Perhaps G*D wanted to get rid of him ?


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Why would you question God's Love? Who knows more him or us?


Us.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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I don't care about heaven it sounds boring. The people there are sure to be insufferable and overbearing. Satan at least understands what it means to be imperfect. I will be hanging out below with my friends discussing interesting concepts and attempting to transcend the limitations of dogmatic belief. I bet Icelander will be there...if anybody is going to Hell he is...he just said God is stupid.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I've been offered a executive position down below. I will be in charge of tormenting all the playboy and penthouse girls. Bad, bad girls.  :bananabang::hellfire:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Icelander]
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I don't think you'll have any customers. Most of them probably have the money to buy absolution from a local cleric...Christians will forgive you if you hand out lots of money to them. That is just my experience. Money and power always weigh more than virtue with those sorts.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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How can you say such terrible things about your creator? & your savior Jesus? Do you know that without God we would all be nothing? I sense the evil one very strong here. In the name of JESUS CHRIST our savior for the sake of his glorious name, set your captives FREE from the evil one. Free your imprisoned children from bondage for the sake of your name in Christ Jesus. For those without faith, I ask thee Lord Jesus to send a sign so that your glory may be manifested here. Send out a sign to the unbelievers so that they may know that you are the CHRIST. I forgive all those here who have spoken against your name for they are being misled by the evil one. Set your captives free for the sake of your name so that they may KNOW you are the savior Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen

Our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken to me, he WILL send out a sign for the unbelievers.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Thank you Lord Jesus, thank you so much for hearing my prayer. I renounce in your name ALL false religions and teaches for the sake of your name. I acknowledge you Lord Jesus as the true God's ONLY means of salvation so as not to confuse your children. It is the works of Satan through men that have created these false religions and I renounce them for the sake of your Name Lord Jesus. Please forgive my brothers for they know not what they do. Thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus, once again for hearing and ANSWERING my prayer. May all glory and praise be to you Jesus forever & ever.

Amen

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Do you know that without God we would all be nothing?


This is typical fundamentalist logic. Total bullshit. Sorry, but this is just utterly wrong. Look at Atheists. They don't believe in "God" yet most of them live very fruitful lives. Many Atheists are more moralistic individuals than most Christians are...

The Christian "God" of America is imaginary. People say that you can "hear" him-- bullshit. Do you hear His booming voice? Does "God" come down from heaven and speak with you? No, he doesn't. What you're doing is calling your higher unconscious mind "God."

Do some reading outside of the Bible. Seriously.

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