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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Paramemetic]
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for 'power', look into webster as well :smile:
The topic is about, what 'influences' you more. Your inner worlds or the outer world (as it often is seen as 'your' outerworld, for the sake of subjective information processing). At this perspective, the outer-world locus of power seems to fade into an illusion....

...as far as I see this. Anybody feel free to fit it into proper relations.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: BlueCoyote]
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There are influences outside your internal world. Your perspective tends to be subjctive by vritue of being a perspective, but that which is perceived is in many cases, outside your control. It's fallacious to asume that because the subjective value of the perception is internally controlled, that which is perceived is also affected.

Granted, no act exists in isolation - even the act of perception.

Perhaps the problem is in the term "locus" after all? I feel as if there are far more than one centers of influence, both external and internal.


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"Reality is that which doesn't go away when you stop believing in it." - N. Bohr
"The world is ruled by letting things take their course. It cannot be ruled by interfering." - Tao Te Ching, 48

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Paramemetic]
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My point re: locus of power is not whether or not you are influenced by outside events, but whether you recognize the choice factor in this influence.

Locus: a center of activity, attention, or concentration.

Power: The ability or official capacity to exercise control; authority.

When we choose to believe that the control/authority over our life experience is centered outside of ourselves, we give up the power to create the experience we desire.

Does this clarify the topic for you?

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Veritas]
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"When we choose to believe that the control/authority over our life experience is centered outside of ourselves, we give up the power to create the experience we desire."
I propose the oposite. It fires our desire to take over power to create the experience we desire."


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Veritas]
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maybe source of motive impulse might be suitable.
i.e.
are you running under your own steam or riccochetting of some external guide walls, like a rat in a maze.

personally I am learning to be the maze and am swimming through it as I like or liking what I must.

the energy fluctuates but the direction is all about making things better.


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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: redgreenvines]
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That does in fact clarify the topic for me. I think we are in some degree of agreement. We are our choices.


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"The world is ruled by letting things take their course. It cannot be ruled by interfering." - Tao Te Ching, 48

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Veritas]
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That is true.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Yes, but to do that we must first believe that we have the power to take control of our experience.

If we believe that we are passive participants in our own lives, we would never attempt to wrest power away from imaginary others whom we think can control our thoughts and emotions.

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
I disliked reality, longed for fantasy, and wished that I could be magically transported into a better place.



Me too. Still do to be honest.

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I was creating all the misery, all the struggle, through my resistance to what IS. I still do this sometimes, but I also have learned to relax and experience bliss during "ordinary" life. This is magical, indeed.


How did you learn to accept what IS and ceased to struggle with it?


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Paramemetic]
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:thumbup:


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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: redtailedhawk]
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I have not ceased to struggle with reality, I've just learned to notice when I am struggling.  :grin:  I've also realized that I prolong my negative emotional reactions through this struggle with realilty.

While I spent many, many, many (:eek:  wait, I'm not THAT old) years trying different philosophical and psychological "remedies" for my misery, the most effectve by far is Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy.

It is a common misapprehension that being rational about one's emotions means that you attempt to eliminate emotionality--become a robot or a Vulcan.  In fact, REBT allows you to enjoy emotionality because you cease to feel victimized by your out-of-control emotional states.

I've posted here many times about my experiences with REBT, so I will not repeat what I've already said.  I recommend any book by Albert Ellis, and any book by Ken Keyes, Jr., who based his work on Ellis' therapeutic methods.

:heart:

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Veritas]
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I agree. Our only enemy is ourselves. The movie "fearless" with jet li sums it up well. To defeat an enemy is strength, but to defeat oneself, well, that just might be the whole aim of human existance.


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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Moonshoe]
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We need not defeat ourselves.  I decided to invite myself over for some pizza & beer.  I talked to myself about ways to live cooperatively, rather than manipulatively or aggressively, and arrived at a peaceful co-existence.  :wink:

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Re: The Illusion of an External Locus of Power [Re: Veritas]
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i am random


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