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 Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie  [Re: GazzBut]
#1084136 - 11/25/02 11:15 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which is contrast to the word "totally".
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Swami]
#1084291 - 11/25/02 12:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Perhaps what he meant was "You have total control over yourSELF at all times"
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Strumpling]
#1084359 - 11/25/02 12:56 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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YOUR LIFE is not your emotional response to events, but only a tiny fraction therof.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: postanaldrip]
#1084472 - 11/25/02 01:36 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you for reversing your attitude.  If we truly believe in love we show it by our actions.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Swami]
#1084496 - 11/25/02 01:43 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tuck but if you are asking questions with fearless honestly you are admitting your ignorance. Feels good, doesn't it?
Anyway, there is more than just one interpretation possible for the statement:
#10: WHAT YOU MAKE OF YOUR LIFE IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU
Another interpretation, drawing from what I perceive as the author's intent, is that each of us are responsible for how we react to a given situation. I mean, since we have no control over things like drunk drivers, how else can it be interpreted and still make sense?
You can be nearly paralyzed and still be Steven Hawking. That is how I choose to see his statement.
Hope that helps.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: ]
#1084532 - 11/25/02 01:53 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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As I said, Hawkings menu is limited. He will never be a pianist or a billion other things. His palette of responses to his illness is denial or acceptance, a choice of two. I fail to see how any of this can be considered TOTAL.
The baby dumped in the trash bin after birth who freezes to death "appears" to have zero control.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Swami]
#1084554 - 11/25/02 02:01 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am not denying that choices are delimited. But I am focusing on the fact that each of us that are non-dependent on another for the direction of our lives has total control of the available choices. You are focusing on the limits. I doubt very seriously if the author was addressing babies.
Do you understand?
And actually Hawking had numerous choices within his limited range. My point is that he used the choices to have a meaningful life which IS what the author is trying to suggest we all attempt.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: ]
#1084651 - 11/25/02 02:27 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I understand that these New Age concepts are written predominantly for bored middle-class Americans and Europeans who already have the car, the house, the career and the marriage and are not written for African Bushmen or Inuit Indians.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Swami]
#1084667 - 11/25/02 02:33 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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That may be so but spiritual principles, if you'll allow me to call them that, are broad truisms that can be applied to anyone who has a modicum of autonomy.
Speaking of which (the New Age) I think you'll howl with delight.  I know I did!
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Swami]
#1085017 - 11/25/02 05:07 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swami I think its obvious that the idea of that statement was "its up to you to make the best with what you have"
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experie [Re: Swami]
#1085055 - 11/25/02 05:20 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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All people have an ascribed status and an achieved status. Nobody starts life equally.
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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Swami]
#1085557 - 11/25/02 08:30 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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"How does one try a feeling? You either have it or not."
So do you have it or not? Thinking is allowed and welcome, but what could happen if one took more time to "feel" rather than focusing so much on over-analyzing situations and especially words.
I should probably explain what I mean by "Feel"
I would call this our 6th sense. You will probably call my bullshit In the animal kingdom it is simply called instinct. The birds fly south for winter not because they stop and think "hey it's really cold in Minnesota bob, Maybe if we headed down that way, we could come upon a subtropical climate and spend the next 60 - 90 days in alot more comfort."
They are not "blessed" with the ability to analyze and "know" (in the studied and learned sense) what to do in these situations, they just act on feeling. (At least this is what science has taught us)
What I am trying to say is, Throughout history Human beings have lost that instinct that is inherent in all other creatures on earth. (remember that science has taught us that we too are animals) Maybe the 6th sense or "feeling" that I speak of, is actually our animal instinct showing through.
I am trying to convince no one of the things of wich I post here. I don't claim "beliefs" in things that I type (not in the structured dogmatic sense at least) I just have Ideas, Just as Shroomism and You do. Ideas change, beliefs are harder.
I stop to actually think about things that you (and others) post.
Sometimes I agree with you and like your ideas, and sometimes not, but I always think them through with as unbiased a mind as possible. (yes, sometimes I miss the point and carry my "hippieness" into battle with me)
Let's just share Ideas instead of trying to make believers and nonbelievers out of one other.
Peace, and most of all Respect 
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: MentalHygene]
#1086079 - 11/25/02 10:49 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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but what could happen if one took more time to "feel"
Murder comes about by feeling rather than thinking.
Animals do not practice instinct; they either have it or they don't. Seems like you agree with me.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Swami]
#1086476 - 11/26/02 01:33 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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WOW
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 Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Shroomism]
#1086901 - 11/26/02 05:42 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've always tried to catch and write down the feeling i get when i trip.
YOU'VE DONE IT!
The strange thing is, it changes nothing. And that is something we also feel as a need. We need constant change. Because we run on not expected reactions. That are mostly generated by actions that are based on expectations.
We kick a box, expecting it to tip over. And if it did, it would be a small thing you would forget fast. But if the box would break instead of tip over, that would be a differend reaction. And that would trigger a more spontanious action, resulting in usually an even stronger reaction.
And it will be passed on generating more and more reactions.
You would tell a friend and he would tell his friend. And the story would get better and bigger. One small action, generating an unexpected reaction. Generates masive actions. Causing more and more reactions.
We are constantly waiting for the main reaction. The reaction that binds everything together. Clears all the questions. And heals all the wounds. And in the meanwhile we are living on small and big reactions. The bigger the reaction, happy or sad. The heavier the reward.
I'm still working this out... And i found it to fit with your text.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: MentalHygene]
#1087504 - 11/26/02 11:41 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Swami]  1
#1087919 - 11/26/02 02:24 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Murder comes about by feeling rather than thinking."
So does love.
I guess what makes things good can also makes things bad.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Fliquid]
#1087930 - 11/26/02 02:25 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude we ARE the main reaction.
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 Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Strumpling]
#1123893 - 12/09/02 02:10 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think so. The universe doesn't turn because we excist.
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Re: We are spiritual beings having a human experience [Re: Fliquid]
#1123984 - 12/09/02 03:29 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm talking about results.. you're talking about cause?
dude everything that ever happens only happens because of what just happened right before that. and i think the universe "turns" so that life can arise in as many different forms as happen to occur.... but hey thats jsut tonight I'll believe in something else altogether tomorrow  maybe i just don't like being here for "no reason" as a "freak accident"
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