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Offlinejustthiz
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Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc...
    #581144 - 03/17/02 07:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey there... i've just read an very interesting post i found on dmtworld. It's about the death/rebirth experience and a lot of surrounding things.
Does anyone have an opinion about this or more information or anything it's all very welcome ... i hope you'll enjoy reading this post: by "etznab"...

"Ok, this is how I understand this Light Isolation/Pineal Gland stimulation.
Bits of this post were copied from eMails and webpages, most of it I
wrote...so, pardon my plagerism - I first heard of this from James Arthur
and he has told me most of what I know on the subject:

During the human birth experience, the brain is being saturated with
chemicals, two of them are pinoline and 5-meo-DMT
(5-Methoxy-N,N-Dimethyltryptamine). These chemicals are secreted by the
pineal gland, also known as the "seed of the soul". When this chemical
reaction happens, the brain is literally being awakened as one begins the
human experience.

In those early months before we got talked out of ourselves and were told
who everyone else thought we ought to be, and long before we developed our
ego - our brains were being flooded with these two chemicals. This lasts
until puberty, when the pineal gland calcifies and no longer produces these
chemicals. The pineal gland will still produce melatonin to regulate our
sleep patterns, but it no longer secrets 5-meo-DMT or pinoline.

During a natural death experience, the pineal gland will release the last of
its 5-meo-DMT and DMT, along with the Pinoline. Once again flooding the
brain with these two chemicals.

DMT stands for N,N-dimethyltryptamine (C12H16N2). DMT can be found in nature
as well as in the human brain. It is an extremely powerful hallucinogenic,
the prototype of its class and it's referred to as the holy grail of
psychedelic substances.nothing is said to be more intense of an experience
than one induced by DMT. Although DMT is not harmful to the body, it is said
that one may experience "Death from astonishment" - which I believe to be
myth. DMT is chemically related to psilocin and more distantly to
LSD.although the DMT experience can be much more intense than LSD, it lasts
only 5-15 minutes. Part of the intensity of DMT stems from the fact that the
onset is virtually instantaneous; one is taken from feeling completely
normal to the peak of the most intense trip available, in the space of only
a second or two, and this can be totally disorienting and frightening to
many.

Pinoline, secreted by the pineal gland, is an MAOI. Pinoline interacts with
other materials resulting in the substance, 5-meo-DMT; which results in an
altered state of consciousness. Pinoline is similar to Harmaline, the active
substance in ayahuasca brew. This brew is used by certain South American
native people (and many other explorers of altered states) to induce a
death/birth experience, to promote Shamanic healing, and contact with the
spirit world. This ayahuasca drink contains the exact same chemicals that
are endogenous in our brains the day we are born: 5-meo-DMT and an MAOI.
Ayahuasca is one of the most potent catalysts for expanded awareness yet
discovered by human beings. While each shaman has his own secret formula for
the mixture (with probably no two brews exactly alike), it has been
established that true ayahuasca always contains both beta-carbo0line and
tryptamine alkaloids, the former (harmine and harmaline) usually obtained
from the Banisteriopsis caapi vine (also known as the Vine of the Soul), and
the latter (N, N-dimethyltryptamine, or DMT) from the leaves of the
Psychotria viridian bush. (There may be variations among plant species, but
the alkaloids are always consistent.

The amount of melanin in the body normally follows a 24 hour rhythm based
on the sun. This means that the amount of melanin has its peak at two o'
clock at night and its lowest point during the day. Tests with people who
have been kept in darkness for several weeks have shown that the alterations
in the amounts of melanin between high and low values have continued.
After a few days, the rhythm between the highest and the lowest levels
changed from a 24 hour rhythm to a 25 hour rhythm, based on the ascent and
descent of the moon. If people instead were to be exposed to constant light
during a longer period of time, this rhythm would become disturbed.

The point in all this is that we can recreate the death and rebirth
experience in our lives, it is made available to us in ways that most would
most likely never consider. For example: Light Isolation.

Not all of us have the time, patience, or the help required to lock
ourselves in a pitch black room for half a month and experience a true
rebirth process. Therefore only a handful of people will ever get to
experience this rebirthing process.

Light Isolation is exactly what it sounds like. One enters a room or house
that is pitch black, and does not exit for 15 days. Complete darkness will
reactivate the Pineal gland as the production of melanin, pinoline begin.
Then, after nearly a week in a dark room, 5meo-DMT production begins. At
this point, one can see 3-dimensional shapes and figures. Some have said
that at this point, they can "See the air".

The next week in the dark room is the most interesting. After some 10-12
days one starts to see in infra red, and ultra violet, one can actually run
across the room and touch a person, by seeing their heat patterns.

The following is an excerpt from an Internet newsgroup post regarding Light
Isolation:

>>
"To make this more objective: I then took 72 people through the same
process, with various degrees of the SAME RESULTS. Algae and other high
protein, enzyme rich, and tryptophan rich foods, can aid in accelerating
this process, especially with those of older age.
Only 2 years after this, did I then take exegetic plant versions of the same
neurotransmitters Pinoline = Harman, DMT and 5meoDMT - identical results
occurred, although some of the Light Isolation experiences were even
stronger.
Since even in the womb there is not complete light isolation, this is a
unique experience that one can give to oneself to re-stimulate this most
essential gland, the crown of the glands, which releases the transmitters
that AFFECT ALL THE OTHER GLANDS."


This literally prepares one for the death experience. In particular, the DMT
experience (via light isolation, Ayahuasca brew, or other methods) is just
as important to the human experience as birth and death. It is this mental
transformation, the renewal of the mind that will bring God before our eyes
and show us what is good and perfect.

Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your
mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and
acceptable and perfect.

(-
andy
www.bluehoney.org"


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: justthiz]
    #581167 - 03/17/02 08:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, justthiz...

I really LOVE that you're into science too, man, but you gotta get your spelling rite.

"The Seed of the Soul..." That sounds to me like Religious Porn man! The Larry Flynt dude did that too but most people are put off by that sorta thing...

"Melanin". Dude: you mean Melatonin (5-MeO-Acetyltryptamine). Melanin is Skin Pigment. If you were right all Black guys would be high as a kite by virtue of having so much of it that it actually shows.

I REALLY don't wanna put you down or anything like that... Loved reading your post & more people should write these informative postings...


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: justthiz]
    #581239 - 03/17/02 11:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A study about Light Isolation printed in a peer-reviewed journal would be more convincing than just someone's opinion or anecdotes on a Website. Please show secondary references to the birth / death DMT release.

Will you personally do the Light Isolation? "No, Swami I have a job / school / responsibilities that won't allow it." Of course, if you really believed it would reactivate some deep, mysterious part of you, you would find the time and the way.

Like, most of the esoteric ideas posted here, people would rather talk about them than to actually do / verify them.


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: Asante]
    #581278 - 03/17/02 12:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well i just copy pasted the whole explanation of the theory from someone ... i found it a very interesting post (from dmtworld btw) and thought it would be nice to share it...  yeah there could certainly be some mistakes in it but they're not mine :smile: hehe

Anyway i just wanted to share it and have opinions about the idea behind it all....

cya man 


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: Swami]
    #581284 - 03/17/02 12:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well Swami that's why i shared the post with everyone... to maybe get references to this kind of stuff.... more explanation, links, thoughts ...

I just found the idea interesting, anyone else with info is welcome off course! :smile: 


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: justthiz]
    #581304 - 03/17/02 01:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

And that is fine. But what usually happens is that you will get many opinions that mean nothing. If you want to find out, experience for yourself then report to us.

People here flit from one wacky subject to the next, never going deep; preferring gossip over knowledge.


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: Swami]
    #581384 - 03/17/02 03:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean by "never going deep"?
I've seen fuckin' ALIENS for chrissakes!! How deep is that?!
I bet you just haven't taken a strong enough dose to see THEM, man! You're just a jerk, man. Why do you have to get on everyone's case like that government official from "Contact," man?


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: Sclorch]
    #581437 - 03/17/02 04:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean by "never going deep"?
What I mean is one wild idea after another is presented for discussion. These hypotheses are borrowed ideas from books and websites, anecdotes, etc., but almost never from any personal research as they would take time and effort. The attention span of the group as a whole is of acutely short duration.

I've seen fuckin' ALIENS for chrissakes!! How deep is that?!
Your question is non-sequitur to your statement. But I would be most interested in watching Alien pornography.

I bet you just haven't taken a strong enough dose to see THEM, man!
* The Swam whips out his checkbook.* And how much did you wish to wager?

You're just a jerk, man.
Gee, just the other day you thought I was funny. Perhaps adding personal attacks to my repetoire, a la Sclorch, will make me less of a jerk.

Why do you have to get on everyone's case
If someone actually presented a case for some of these esoteric ideas, a real discussion might ensue.


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: Sclorch]
    #581454 - 03/17/02 04:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Anything that can happen on the highest doses of Psilocybin/LSD can also happen to most on an average dose of 1 gram of good shroom. Its a lot rarer in most, but it can.

I've seen an Orc jerking off last night, and that was a DREAM, nothing Psychedelic involved...

Please don't shit on people who don't deserve it at that moment... Wait until they do.


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: Swami]
    #581583 - 03/17/02 07:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Swami-
Maybe I was too heavy on the sarcasm.
Peace.


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Re: Death / Rebirth / DMT / Light Isolation etc... [Re: justthiz]
    #13465991 - 11/10/10 11:45 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

All the references and info you want are in the book "DMT the spirit molecule".

Also read my post please and tell me what you think.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13382620#13382620


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