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Alien Agenda
    #3885785 -

Um, hallucinations have no agenda, no ulterior motives; in fact no will or plan of any kind.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Yes.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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And, affirmative....  :smile:


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: PhanTomCat]
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yup.....long time no see>>.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Um, hallucinations have no agenda, no ulterior motives; in fact no will or plan of any kind.


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i dunno man, i've seen some apparently purposive hullabaloocinations on occasion...
ymmv...


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Prove it.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
    #3886761 -

Noooo...
They want to stick things up our anuses and mangle cows.... :wink:

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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What do hallucitanions have to do with aliens?


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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i think that mr. swami here is stating categorically that all alien encounters/abductions/matings/anal-probings/etc.
are the result of deranged neurophysiology...
heh...

obviously, ymmv...


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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My hallucinations are always like "Hope you enjoyed the show, that'll be $47.93".


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Phluck]
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aliens don't overcharge?


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Um, hallucinations have no agenda, no ulterior motives; in fact no will or plan of any kind.


That's not what the voices in my head told me.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: TheHateCamel]
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prove you prove it? besides what does proving got to do with this forum, he he j\k :P


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Gomp]
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i'm just happy that swami's back


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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if they truly are hallucinations... and nothing more... right..

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Gomp]
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You're my #1.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: TheHateCamel]
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Question: (This requires some roleplaying on your part)

-Suppose you're an alien, from intergalactic origin (not important from where). You are technologically superior in every respect of the world, and by virtue of that one could assume that your philosophical discipline is just as superior (else you would have wiped and/or decimated yourself as a species by way of the superior technology, which has ultimately allowed you to advance to the degree to be spacefaring and visiting earth).

With all that said... If you really do have superior technology, why would you abduct humans to give them anal probes, dissect and mutilate cows, and play with human agriculture (crop circles)? (Is earth like an Alien vacation spot or somethin'?)


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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I wouldn't.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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if they had an agenda why would they let us know about it?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Maybe we have something they need? Maybe they use our shit as fuel? It would explain the anal probing......


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: egghead1]
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Naw... I think that they are so advanced, that they have try to fool humans by their motivations of how advanced they are by anal probin' them. It's like a big cosmic joke... they're so advanced they go around reaming all other lesser species to give them a mystery because they know everything.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Uhh I think he means foreign, not alien as in alien lifeforms.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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The alien agenda is to sneak across the border and get a job blowing leaves or trimming trees.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Freeker]
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Read the post... unless foreigners like to do anal probes and mangle cows... Now it's both though.

Paradigm said:
The alien agenda is to sneak across the border and get a job blowing leaves or trimming trees.


:lol:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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"The alien agenda is to sneak across the border and get a job blowing leaves or trimming trees."

consider watching a movie called "a day without a mexican"


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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I think that in using the term hallucination you are being way too generous. This implies honesty. I recently read the results of an FBI investigation into Satan worship cults that supposedly practice human sacrifice. Many people reported that they had been raised in families where Satanic practices and human sacrifice (usually babies born in unreported births...specifically bred for sacrifice) were performed...but later escaped to warn others about the underground Satan cults. Many of these people had previously filed reports with the FBI as being UFO abductees but had moved on to being witnesses to Satanic rituals.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
Naw... I think that they are so advanced, that they have try to fool humans by their motivations of how advanced they are by anal probin' them. It's like a big cosmic joke... they're so advanced they go around reaming all other lesser species to give them a mystery because they know everything.


My theory is that we're being visited by the alien equivalent of out-of-control teenagers high on Zorgmahoo and nothing better to do on a Bleepforg night.... :tongue:

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
Psychoactive1984 said:
Naw... I think that they are so advanced, that they have try to fool humans by their motivations of how advanced they are by anal probin' them. It's like a big cosmic joke... they're so advanced they go around reaming all other lesser species to give them a mystery because they know everything.


My theory is that we're being visited by the alien equivalent of out-of-control teenagers high on Zorgmahoo and nothing better to do on a Bleepforg night.... :tongue:


Zorgmahoo being a blagnark agonist, am I correct?


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: delta9]
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Only when combined with the glandular secretions of the Roog creatures found in the urine swamps of Kleeton IV....

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Le_Canard]
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Ah.  You should avoid taking roog juice with a droblek reuptake inhibitor. :sun:


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: delta9]
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well SOMETHING is obviously going on godamnit

:smile:

listening to alien dreamtime for the first time right now


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Um, hallucinations have no agenda, no ulterior motives; in fact no will or plan of any kind.


BUT... the hallucinations might metaprogram one of my other personalities into thinking I'm an alien and will then begin plotting a takeover of this planet. It may even be so successful as to keep hiding my bottle of prescribed pills that are supposed to suppress my multiple personalities. And WHAT THEN?!!


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Sclorch]
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pff the odds of aliens not existing are like 1 in a billionxinfinity

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: faslimy]
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pff the odds of aliens not existing are like 1 in a billionxinfinity


nah, they're a lot better than that

high on Zorgmahoo and nothing better to do on a Bleepforg night

I love trying to 'invent' alien words using our human syllables.. in fact that's a good metaphor for all spiritual or metaphysical exertion...

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Zekebomb]
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Found a top secret document on the internet that explains why aliens anal probe humans.

You heard it first, don't let it get out, else the "men in black" will be all over my doorstep.

http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Cartman_Gets_An_Anal_Probe


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Um, hallucinations have no agenda, no ulterior motives; in fact no will or plan of any kind.


Bit of chasm jumping there, from aliens to hallucinations. You could change that to 'mass hallucinations' as there are hundreds of incidents with multiple witnesses often not even knowing each other.

The alien agenda is to monitor Earths technological progress as we start to build craft capable of deep space travel. They know that we will soon be exploring the universe as they are.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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If aliens are hallucinations, then how do you explain this incident:

The Pascagoula incident involved two men, nineteen-year-old Calvin Parker and forty-two-year-old Charles Hickson, both of Gautier, Mississippi, who were fishing in the Pascagoula River when they heard a buzzing noise behind them. Both turned and were terrified to see a ten-foot-wide, eight-foot-high, glowing egg-shaped object with blue lights at its front hovering just above the ground about forty feet from the riverbank. As the, men frozen with fright, watched, adoor appeared in the object, and three strange Beings floated just above the river towards them.

The Beings had legs but did not use them. They were about five feet tall, had bullet-shaped heads without necks, slits for mouths; and where their noses or ears would be, they had thin, conical objects sticking out, like carrots from a snowman's head. They had no eyes, gray, wrinkled skin, round feet, and clawlike hands. Two of the beings seized Hickson; when the third grabbed Parker, the teenager fainted with fright. Hickson claimed that when the Beings placed their hands under his arms, his body became numb, and that then they floated him into a brightly lit room in the UFO's interior, where he was subjected to a medical examination with an eyelike device which, like Hickson himself, was floating in midair. At the end of the examination, the Beings simply left Hickson floating, paralyzed but for his eyes, and went to examine Parker, who, Hickson believed was in another room. Twenty minutes after Hickson had first observed the UFO, he was floated back outside and released. He found Parker weeping and praying on the ground near him. Moments later, the object rose straight up and shot out of sight.

Expecting only ridicule if they were to tell anyone what had happened, Hickson and Parker initially decided to keep quiet; but then, because they felt the government might or ought, to know about it, they telephoned Kessler Air Force Base in Biloxi. A sergeant there told them to contact the sheriff. But uncertain about the reception their bizarre story might get from the local law, they drove to the local newspaper office to speak with a reporter. When they found the office closed, Hickson and Parker felt they had no alternative but to talk to the sheriff.

The sheriff, after listening to their story, put Hickson and Parker in a room wired for sound in the belief that if the two men were left alone, they would reveal their hoax; of course, they did not. The local press reported their tale; the wire services picked it up; and within several days the Pascagoula close encounter was major news all over the country. The Aerial Phenomena Research Organisation (APRO), founded in 1952, sent University of California engineering professor James Harder to Mississippi to investigate; J. Allen Hynek, representing the Air Force, also arrived. Together they interviewed the witnesses. Harder hypnotized Hickson but had to terminate the session when Hickson became too frightened to continue.

Hickson and Parker both subsequently passed lie detector tests. Hynek and Harder believed the two men's story. And Hynek was later quoted as saying, 'There was definately something here that was not terrestrial.


If you explain it as a hallucination still then how do two seperate brains hallucinate the same thing? This idea sounds more far fetched than aliens to me!!!


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Ego Death]
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dis-information campaign aka counter-intelligence. :lol:

Seriously though, if you look at ancient beliefs + pictures/drawings, something came here and was seen. Beyond the fact that your testimony can't be proven, and nothing in regards to the matter can be proven to the extent that is suggested, it's likely that the 'ancients' weren't just screwing with us (not all of them).

I think that in the past, those that seen it were to afraid to espouse the fact that they were anal probed though.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
Seriously though, if you look at ancient beliefs + pictures/drawings, something came here and was seen.


Ya, because acient people didn't have imaginations. :rolleyes:


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Beyond the fact that your testimony can't be proven,

you're right. and neither can yours. you sum it up nicely in the next clause:

and nothing in regards to the matter can be proven

couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Ego Death]
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If you explain it as a hallucination still then how do two seperate brains hallucinate the same thing? This idea sounds more far fetched than aliens to me!!!

I have seen a hundred thousand people in Florida view an aberration in a bank glass window as the "Virgin Mary". I have no explanation for such human silliness.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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I have seen a hundred thousand people in Florida view an aberration in a bank glass window as the "Virgin Mary". I have no explanation for such human silliness.

Eh, you haven't seen anything until you watch a hundred thousand people stand in awe at the sight of a statue of the Virgin "weeping" after a particularly humid Florida night. None seem to notice that everything else left out overnight also drips with dew at dawn.  :eek:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Diploid]
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What are you saying about Floridians and intelligence?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Hallucinations...

It's a shortcut-explanation for anything. If you don't feel like thinking too much about some phenomenon, call it a hallucination.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
Question: (This requires some roleplaying on your part)

-Suppose you're an alien, from intergalactic origin (not important from where). You are technologically superior in every respect of the world, and by virtue of that one could assume that your philosophical discipline is just as superior (else you would have wiped and/or decimated yourself as a species by way of the superior technology, which has ultimately allowed you to advance to the degree to be spacefaring and visiting earth).

With all that said... If you really do have superior technology, why would you abduct humans to give them anal probes, dissect and mutilate cows, and play with human agriculture (crop circles)? (Is earth like an Alien vacation spot or somethin'?)


That is similar to this...

Two dogs have a conversation.
One of them says:
Supose those planes ARE flowm by humans. Now why would humans
want to travel at all? I mean the have everything in the neighbourhood, food, watter and females, what other possible things
could they need?
The other one says: Yea that's stupid, those planes are probably
some kind of birds.

So basicly, us humans are discussing the logic of beings
that are ten times more intelligent than us.

In this case you can not use the argument: "if I were"
because you don't know what would you think if your brain was more evolved by a million years of evolution.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Hallucinations...

It's a shortcut-explanation for anything.

It's a shortcut explanation for anything that does not INTERACT with physical reality.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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So basicly, us humans are discussing the logic of beings
that are ten times more intelligent than us.
Based upon the IIT (Intergalactic Intelligence Test)?

In this case you can not use the argument: "if I were" because you don't know what would you think if your brain was more evolved by a million years of evolution.

Hmmm, let's see (by best current estimates):

Bacteria: hundreds of millions of years old

Sharks: 50 million years old

Homo Sapiens: a few million years old

I see what you are getting at.  :rolleyes:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Yeah equally when people say "They couldn't travel here because they couldn't travel beyond the speed of light" this theory is flawed by human perspective.

They could be closer, to us, than to need to use faster than speed of light travel. The speed of light theory could be (prolly is) incomplete/incorrect. They could be using wormhole or teleportation technology. The literature certainly suggests that the latter is true.

And the "why would they want to come here and see us" arguement. Its crazy! How could we possibly know why when where dealing with a species we know nothing about!

It really makes me laugh at such closed minded arguements, I mean to think that there are no other possibilities!


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:

Hmmm, let's see (by best current estimates):

Bacteria: hundreds of millions of years old

Sharks: 50 million years old

Homo Sapiens: a few million years old

I see what you are getting at.  :rolleyes:



Age of the Universe:  15 to 25 Billion years old. :rolleyes:


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
And the "why would they want to come here and see us" arguement.  Its crazy!  How could we possibly know why when where dealing with a species we know nothing about!

It really makes me laugh at such closed minded arguements, I mean to think that there are no other possibilities!


You didn't realize I was joking? :lol:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Hallucinations...

It's a shortcut-explanation for anything.

It's a shortcut explanation for anything that does not INTERACT with physical reality.


Yea, but how does this fit into aliens? How do they not interact with physical reality?


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Swami said:
Hallucinations...

It's a shortcut-explanation for anything.

It's a shortcut explanation for anything that does not INTERACT with physical reality.


Yea, but how does this fit into aliens? How do they not interact with physical reality?


~anal probes


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
So basicly, us humans are discussing the logic of beings
that are ten times more intelligent than us.
Based upon the IIT (Intergalactic Intelligence Test)?

In this case you can not use the argument: "if I were" because you don't know what would you think if your brain was more evolved by a million years of evolution.

Hmmm, let's see (by best current estimates):

Bacteria: hundreds of millions of years old

Sharks: 50 million years old

Homo Sapiens: a few million years old

I see what you are getting at.  :rolleyes:



Assumption not an IQ test.

And this analising of my examplary numbers is not an argument.
I am not on trial here, a concept and a theory is on trial. I could well be retarded, yet that does not mean I am not representing the truth, nor does it mean I am, in fact it doesn't say anything about the theory we are discussing here. To be more specific, if you don't like "million", then put "billion" instead.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Ego Death]
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Yeah equally when people say "They couldn't travel here because they couldn't travel beyond the speed of light" this theory is flawed by human perspective.

A human theory will by definition use a human perspective.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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How do they not interact with physical reality?

By not interacting with physical reality. How do dreams not interact with physical reality?


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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they have no plan. No plan what so ever. Nothing. Go back to work.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
How do they not interact with physical reality?

By not interacting with physical reality. How do dreams not interact with physical reality?


but dreams are not physical manifestations, and are not visible to anyone exept the dreamer


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Quote:
OldWoodSpecter said: Two dogs have a conversation.
One of them says:
Supose those planes ARE flowm by humans. ....

So basicly, us humans are discussing the logic of beings
that are ten times more intelligent than us.


so, you're saying aliens exist, and visit earth, because the dogs in your story are wrong? what if you'd chosen a story about dogs who think clouds are flown by humans? then they decide, nah, clouds are probably just some kind of bird... what the hell does that prove? is this some kind of crazy new logic I haven't heard of yet?

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Zekebomb]
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You missed the point of the story..

The dogs can not even begin to imagine how humans think, regardless if humans are real or just concepts and imaginary ideas.
Even if aliens are not real, the idea of aliens is that if they have more advanced technology, they are more intelligent.
So illusions or not, you can't speculate about their logic, just as you can't speculate about the logic of tooth-fairies because they don't think the same way we do

And as for your version of story..

Your version of the story proves the same point mine did


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Edited by OldWoodSpecter (03/11/05 10:54 AM)

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The dogs can not even begin to imagine how humans think, regardless if humans are real or just concepts and imaginary ideas.

Do you read what you write or just blurt it out? Just say "NO!" to drugs.  :grin:

If Creature B is merely an imaginary concoction of a Creature A, then Creature A could certainly imagine how it's imaginary creature could think.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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You missed the point of the story..

I think you're right. but maybe that's because the story was misleading. you made the story so that Dogs:humans::humans:aliens, which just isn't true.

Your version of the story proves the same point mine did

nah, my version just shows how dumb dogs are. Clouds aren't birds, hello!

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Zekebomb]
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But your story shows how dogs can not make valid conclusions based on their internal logic.

p.s. These aliens we are discussion, real or not, are more intelligent than us because they have such advanced technology,
so I believe dogs are to us what we are to this concept of aliens.
Perhapse the differences are not so huge, but the orientation on the scale is right.




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Edited by OldWoodSpecter (03/11/05 01:28 PM)

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
The dogs can not even begin to imagine how humans think, regardless if humans are real or just concepts and imaginary ideas.

Do you read what you write or just blurt it out? Just say "NO!" to drugs.  :grin:

If Creature B is merely an imaginary concoction of a Creature A, then Creature A could certainly imagine how it's imaginary creature could think.


So creatura A imagines a creature B which is more advanced than creature A. Even thought creature B is imaginary, the concept of progress, higher intelligence and advancement is real, and this real concept is attached to the imaginary creature.

Example:
I imagine an apple that reflects light beyond the visible spectrum.
I can not speculate how that apple looks like because it reflects rays that I do not see. While the apple is imaginary, the rays exist in nature and are real, and I have attached a real world phenomenon to
an imaginary object. Even though the apple is imaginary, I have allready limited it in any discussion by giving it certain qualities from the real world. So then, even thought this apple is a product of MY imagination I CAN'T speculate on how does this imaginary object look like because I have attached this limitation to it, a real world limitation.

So if you say aliens are more intelligent than us, you have limited tha imagination range for that concept in any discussion.
Since the concept of higher and lower intelligence is real (someone can be more or less intelligent), you can not discuss logic of any imaginary object to wich you attach the quality of higher intelligence than yourself.


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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"Star Trek" and "Star Wars" and "Andromeda" and "Babylon 5" are ALL 'real' manifestations of imagination; yet you are saying this is not possible.

*Swami flips through the TVGuide to see what's on the Sci-Fi channel*


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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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I do believe we are speaking two different languages here, either that or you are not talking to me..
I have no idea what do you mean by that, but I supose to comes from
another misinterpretation of my text.

It seems I just don't know how to communicate with people, nobody ever understand a thing I am saying, so I rest my case


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DMT anyone? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The accidental release of DMT from the pineal gland has been proposed to explain the phenomenon of people experiencing these abductions or visitations. DMT has always left me feeling like I want my mommy if I take it by myself (Iget sacred shitless b/c I feel the presence of others) So it's alien abductors today, god yesterday, perhaps it'll be admiral ackbar in the future?

Love,
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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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How do you "accidentally" release DMT? DMT is in the spinal fluid at all times. It is produced almost continually in the brain.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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A certain kind of sleep paralisis disorder can make you experience alien abductions too.
I happen to have a mild case of this disorder which runs in my family from my mothers side, but it is a very weak form and does not produce any visual hallucinations. It just makes you have seizures a dozen times in your life and strange wakeups often.
Anyway, the "full" version of it can make you see a lot of stuff, feel like being raped by demons, feel a demonic presence in the room, see blood on walls, see devils or aliens and all kinds of nightmares right in front of you. I wouldn't want to be one of those people having those nightmares. I consider myself lucky
The strongest it ever manifested itself in my family was once or twice what happened to my mother. She woke up paralized and having a panic attack while feeling hands pressing her chest against the bed.
She got so freaked out that she was afraid to go to sleep for days.
Her mother had that disorder too.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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DMT, as in the drug?


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My dad use to have this red truck that he would drive all the way to Moscow with. He actually got a really good deal on it from a friend of his. One day it had a strange noise coming from the trunk. A tapping noise that was on and off. He pulled over to check it out. When he got out of his truck, he stepped in a puddle, causing muddy water to splash all over his jeans. So he got back into his truck and decided to go back home.

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: CingOfKorruption]
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yes


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Re: di?meth?yl?tryp?ta?mine anyone? [Re: CingOfKorruption]
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"Living in dying from birth, the drug we do is this, and we are all high on its substances..."
-DMT anyone? :smile:


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Re: di?meth?yl?tryp?ta?mine anyone? [Re: Gomp]
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Grey aliens do exist. 
Reptilians do exist.
Changelings do exist.

We have alien technology.

Swami if you aren't able to understand that these things are realistic, you are only mentally blocking them out.

Let go of logic.  :mushroom2:

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Aliens and Probes [Re: Gomp]
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I think OldWoodSpecor is absolutely right: Its superfluous to debate on what aliens would do or would not, cause we don know who they think and how they live. All our estimates are made with our sense of wrong or right, our preferences in life, our social communities, religion ....
Aliens dont necesseraly need to work like us. As a queer, but simple example: Lets say that the Alien Species "A", which is going to visit us (and anal probe us :-) ) hates pocession, and thus produces stuff to give it away quickly for free. That would be stupid in our sense, but would make a community work nevertheless. So, in effect this alien might come up to us, and give us a brand new Ge-543232 Startransporter for free!! (But only if we call now!)
- With this crude example I only want to emphasis, that we cannot say what they look like and what theyd do in case of an encounter.
Our reality is limited to our perception. And that we get from living on earth and not on some other planet far away.
Concerning the drug thing Spector said: I had the same thing on my first shroom trip.Since I was little Ive always had these dancing oriental women in my head, dancing to spiritual music. This has always been a simbol for spiritualism for me. Now on my first shroom trip I closed my eyes and who was there dancing and singing? Three women, with beautiful arabic faces, hidden under persion robes.
A few trips later I had read about the mantis, and what did I see: A green insekt, running across the wall.
Its all in your head, and so are anal probes and little green men!

Despite the above I also believe in Aliens, and that we will one day encounter them. When , or if we havent already, I do not see myself entitled to judge. (Im also a dog, as in Woods example)

@Gomp:
Quote:
"Living in dying from birth, the drug we do is this, and we are all high on its substances..."
-DMT anyone?

This sheds your peom in the light I saw it in before...

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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yogafire said:
The accidental release of DMT from the pineal gland has been proposed to explain the phenomenon of people experiencing these abductions or visitations.


How does this account for the incident I explained earlier in this text? How do two seperate people have a spontanious DMT release at the same time and have the exact same resulting hallucination?


This is a really stupid idea and far more outragous than the E.T theory.


Consider the size of the Universe and consider how old the Universe is. Consider we know life evolves or we wouldn't be here ourselfs. Consider the fact we have discovered micro-organisms in space existing seperate from our planet.

Then tell me its unlikely that a race has mastered space travel. We are not that far away from apes and we've already travelled space!!!


Why do we find 'hallucinations' to be a much simpler/easier explaination? So our ego's can sit happy. So we don't have to deal with the harsh reality of this Universe.


Swami in your explaination you say that you cannot account for the hundreds of people that can see the virgin mary in what is a randomly formed pattern. The fact is they see something, they see the pattern and it is then that they discern it to be a virgin Mary.

The same applies for the Alien phenomena. The difference here is that there is no glass and no pattern to produce the alien craft and beings. As in the Pascagoula incident two seperate people hear a craft and turn to see a craft and alien beings. This cannot be accounted for by hallucination (as I explained above), lies are out of the picture (they passed lie detector tests and spy recordings of their conversations) and there was no 'glass window' or pattern (nothing for them to misinterpret). Of course, not to mention the fact that this is one of many many similar incidents reported by seperate individuals world over.

Please think about what I am saying deeply and carefully before you jump on a tangent and pick apart my wording.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
Consider the size of the Universe and consider how old the Universe is. Consider we know life evolves or we wouldn't be here ourselfs. Consider the fact we have discovered micro-organisms in space existing seperate from our planet.

Then tell me its unlikely that a race has mastered space travel. We are not that far away from apes and we've already travelled space!!!



Well, so what have you proven? All you say is, that technically something might be able to travel to earth.But that doesnt prve that it already has. Even if, isnt the fact that we havent generally seen them more relevant? By this I mean, that it doesnt make a differance in your life, unless its not tengible in some sort of way.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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Huh? :wtf:

Where did it say I had to prove something?

I don't try to prove anything as that is impossible.

If there was proof then we wouldn't be debating ideas here???

The idea I am conveying is that E.T is a far more likely an answer than to say the phenomena is mass hallucination etc etc blah blah.

I am saying it is not logical to believe that peoples DMT glands can release spontaniously en mass and for them to have the same DMT induced vision when there is a perfectly simple and logical extra-terrestial explaination.

If you want to get into the arguement of proof then don't bother with me because I don't think that anybody can prove anything.  I think there are likely or less likely possibilities, that is all.

I am constantly summarising the point of my arguement and even then people just use a diversion tactic (tangents, humour)to avoid something they can't argue with!!!  Do I not explain myself well enough?

I'm not sure I quite understand what your saying at the end but I can tell you, seeing a space craft, that appeared to be alien, close up, certainly changed my outlook on life in a big way...


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Ego Death]
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Swami in your explaination you say that you cannot account for the hundreds of people that can see the virgin mary in what is a randomly formed pattern. The fact is they see something, they see the pattern and it is then that they discern it to be a virgin Mary.

A two-dimensional 20 foot tall glass outline with no detail cannot be determined to represent any human, never mind a long-dead female with an intact hymen of whom we have no physical representation to compare it to.

I find this to be a dangerous mental illness.

You asked how multiple witnesses could come to the same erroneous conclusion and I provided a VERY SOLID example.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Swami]
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@dano: No point in being a smartalec!(or angry for that matter)Otheriwse I totally agree with you! :-) And yes, I seemed to have gotten it wrong.(which doesnt make you any smarter though...)

Jazz
P.S: Im sorry for the bullshit, but I just cant stand people beng so self-secure.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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JazzMatazz said:
@dano: No point in being a smartalec!(or angry for that matter)Otheriwse I totally agree with you! :-) And yes, I seemed to have gotten it wrong.(which doesnt make you any smarter though...)

    Jazz
P.S: Im sorry for the bullshit, but I just cant stand people beng so self-secure.



insecure about others being secure? :confused:


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Swami]
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Dangerous? Why is it dangerous?


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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If we let you know why it is dangerous... you'll be in danger.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Swami in your explaination you say that you cannot account for the hundreds of people that can see the virgin mary in what is a randomly formed pattern. The fact is they see something, they see the pattern and it is then that they discern it to be a virgin Mary.

A two-dimensional 20 foot tall glass outline with no detail cannot be determined to represent any human, never mind a long-dead female with an intact hymen of whom we have no physical representation to compare it to.

I find this to be a dangerous mental illness.

You asked how multiple witnesses could come to the same erroneous conclusion and I provided a VERY SOLID example.


Thank you for your solid example and I agree your correct that it is easy to see faces in many objects, theres probably nothing mystical about it.

The difference with people seeing aliens (what this thread is essential about) is that there is no pattern to produce the alien craft and beings.

Your example relies on the brain making pictures out of random patterns.  In many well documented incidents multiple witnesses have seen alien craft/aliens and there has not been no pattern to trigger the mental process you speak of.

As in the Pascagoula incident two seperate people hear a craft and turn to see a craft and alien beings. This cannot be accounted for by hallucination (as I explained above), lies are out of the picture (they passed lie detector tests and spy recordings of their conversations) and there was no 'glass window' or pattern (nothing for them to misinterpret). Of course, not to mention the fact that this is one of many many similar incidents reported by seperate individuals world over. :eek:


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Ego Death]
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while reading this thread I realized that my beliefs re alien sightings/abductions are that some as-yet unspecified and unimagined way of explaining it is, to e, more likely than anything that's been come up with so far (actual creatures, mass hallucinations, etc). perhaps the true answer is totally unimaginable by a current human mind working with a current human model of reality; in fact having typed that I now stand proudly by it. thank you.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
Naw... I think that they are so advanced, that they have try to fool humans by their motivations of how advanced they are by anal probin' them. It's like a big cosmic joke... they're so advanced they go around reaming all other lesser species to give them a mystery because they know everything.


Yeah that sounds about right. Being raped transdimensionally raises questions that are hard to ignore. Pushing your mind to areas that it would not go otherwise...efficient perhaps, but damn those fuckers.

People can blow off an ocean of evidence..but ass pain is irrefutable.

Edited by rdnp2035 (03/13/05 08:51 PM)

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: rdnp2035]
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:lol:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Um, hallucinations have no agenda, no ulterior motives; in fact no will or plan of any kind.


maybe not, but the person having them certainly has all those things

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