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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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You missed the point of the story..

I think you're right. but maybe that's because the story was misleading. you made the story so that Dogs:humans::humans:aliens, which just isn't true.

Your version of the story proves the same point mine did

nah, my version just shows how dumb dogs are. Clouds aren't birds, hello!

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Zekebomb]
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But your story shows how dogs can not make valid conclusions based on their internal logic.

p.s. These aliens we are discussion, real or not, are more intelligent than us because they have such advanced technology,
so I believe dogs are to us what we are to this concept of aliens.
Perhapse the differences are not so huge, but the orientation on the scale is right.




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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

Edited by OldWoodSpecter (03/11/05 01:28 PM)

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
The dogs can not even begin to imagine how humans think, regardless if humans are real or just concepts and imaginary ideas.

Do you read what you write or just blurt it out? Just say "NO!" to drugs.  :grin:

If Creature B is merely an imaginary concoction of a Creature A, then Creature A could certainly imagine how it's imaginary creature could think.


So creatura A imagines a creature B which is more advanced than creature A. Even thought creature B is imaginary, the concept of progress, higher intelligence and advancement is real, and this real concept is attached to the imaginary creature.

Example:
I imagine an apple that reflects light beyond the visible spectrum.
I can not speculate how that apple looks like because it reflects rays that I do not see. While the apple is imaginary, the rays exist in nature and are real, and I have attached a real world phenomenon to
an imaginary object. Even though the apple is imaginary, I have allready limited it in any discussion by giving it certain qualities from the real world. So then, even thought this apple is a product of MY imagination I CAN'T speculate on how does this imaginary object look like because I have attached this limitation to it, a real world limitation.

So if you say aliens are more intelligent than us, you have limited tha imagination range for that concept in any discussion.
Since the concept of higher and lower intelligence is real (someone can be more or less intelligent), you can not discuss logic of any imaginary object to wich you attach the quality of higher intelligence than yourself.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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"Star Trek" and "Star Wars" and "Andromeda" and "Babylon 5" are ALL 'real' manifestations of imagination; yet you are saying this is not possible.

*Swami flips through the TVGuide to see what's on the Sci-Fi channel*


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Alien Agenda [Re: Swami]
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I do believe we are speaking two different languages here, either that or you are not talking to me..
I have no idea what do you mean by that, but I supose to comes from
another misinterpretation of my text.

It seems I just don't know how to communicate with people, nobody ever understand a thing I am saying, so I rest my case


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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DMT anyone? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The accidental release of DMT from the pineal gland has been proposed to explain the phenomenon of people experiencing these abductions or visitations. DMT has always left me feeling like I want my mommy if I take it by myself (Iget sacred shitless b/c I feel the presence of others) So it's alien abductors today, god yesterday, perhaps it'll be admiral ackbar in the future?

Love,
~TonyZ

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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How do you "accidentally" release DMT? DMT is in the spinal fluid at all times. It is produced almost continually in the brain.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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A certain kind of sleep paralisis disorder can make you experience alien abductions too.
I happen to have a mild case of this disorder which runs in my family from my mothers side, but it is a very weak form and does not produce any visual hallucinations. It just makes you have seizures a dozen times in your life and strange wakeups often.
Anyway, the "full" version of it can make you see a lot of stuff, feel like being raped by demons, feel a demonic presence in the room, see blood on walls, see devils or aliens and all kinds of nightmares right in front of you. I wouldn't want to be one of those people having those nightmares. I consider myself lucky
The strongest it ever manifested itself in my family was once or twice what happened to my mother. She woke up paralized and having a panic attack while feeling hands pressing her chest against the bed.
She got so freaked out that she was afraid to go to sleep for days.
Her mother had that disorder too.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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DMT, as in the drug?


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My dad use to have this red truck that he would drive all the way to Moscow with. He actually got a really good deal on it from a friend of his. One day it had a strange noise coming from the trunk. A tapping noise that was on and off. He pulled over to check it out. When he got out of his truck, he stepped in a puddle, causing muddy water to splash all over his jeans. So he got back into his truck and decided to go back home.

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: CingOfKorruption]
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yes


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: di?meth?yl?tryp?ta?mine anyone? [Re: CingOfKorruption]
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"Living in dying from birth, the drug we do is this, and we are all high on its substances..."
-DMT anyone? :smile:


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Disclaimer!?

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Re: di?meth?yl?tryp?ta?mine anyone? [Re: Gomp]
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Grey aliens do exist. 
Reptilians do exist.
Changelings do exist.

We have alien technology.

Swami if you aren't able to understand that these things are realistic, you are only mentally blocking them out.

Let go of logic.  :mushroom2:

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Aliens and Probes [Re: Gomp]
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I think OldWoodSpecor is absolutely right: Its superfluous to debate on what aliens would do or would not, cause we don know who they think and how they live. All our estimates are made with our sense of wrong or right, our preferences in life, our social communities, religion ....
Aliens dont necesseraly need to work like us. As a queer, but simple example: Lets say that the Alien Species "A", which is going to visit us (and anal probe us :-) ) hates pocession, and thus produces stuff to give it away quickly for free. That would be stupid in our sense, but would make a community work nevertheless. So, in effect this alien might come up to us, and give us a brand new Ge-543232 Startransporter for free!! (But only if we call now!)
- With this crude example I only want to emphasis, that we cannot say what they look like and what theyd do in case of an encounter.
Our reality is limited to our perception. And that we get from living on earth and not on some other planet far away.
Concerning the drug thing Spector said: I had the same thing on my first shroom trip.Since I was little Ive always had these dancing oriental women in my head, dancing to spiritual music. This has always been a simbol for spiritualism for me. Now on my first shroom trip I closed my eyes and who was there dancing and singing? Three women, with beautiful arabic faces, hidden under persion robes.
A few trips later I had read about the mantis, and what did I see: A green insekt, running across the wall.
Its all in your head, and so are anal probes and little green men!

Despite the above I also believe in Aliens, and that we will one day encounter them. When , or if we havent already, I do not see myself entitled to judge. (Im also a dog, as in Woods example)

@Gomp:
Quote:
"Living in dying from birth, the drug we do is this, and we are all high on its substances..."
-DMT anyone?

This sheds your peom in the light I saw it in before...

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: yogafire]
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yogafire said:
The accidental release of DMT from the pineal gland has been proposed to explain the phenomenon of people experiencing these abductions or visitations.


How does this account for the incident I explained earlier in this text? How do two seperate people have a spontanious DMT release at the same time and have the exact same resulting hallucination?


This is a really stupid idea and far more outragous than the E.T theory.


Consider the size of the Universe and consider how old the Universe is. Consider we know life evolves or we wouldn't be here ourselfs. Consider the fact we have discovered micro-organisms in space existing seperate from our planet.

Then tell me its unlikely that a race has mastered space travel. We are not that far away from apes and we've already travelled space!!!


Why do we find 'hallucinations' to be a much simpler/easier explaination? So our ego's can sit happy. So we don't have to deal with the harsh reality of this Universe.


Swami in your explaination you say that you cannot account for the hundreds of people that can see the virgin mary in what is a randomly formed pattern. The fact is they see something, they see the pattern and it is then that they discern it to be a virgin Mary.

The same applies for the Alien phenomena. The difference here is that there is no glass and no pattern to produce the alien craft and beings. As in the Pascagoula incident two seperate people hear a craft and turn to see a craft and alien beings. This cannot be accounted for by hallucination (as I explained above), lies are out of the picture (they passed lie detector tests and spy recordings of their conversations) and there was no 'glass window' or pattern (nothing for them to misinterpret). Of course, not to mention the fact that this is one of many many similar incidents reported by seperate individuals world over.

Please think about what I am saying deeply and carefully before you jump on a tangent and pick apart my wording.


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Edited by danoEoboy (03/12/05 05:33 AM)

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
Consider the size of the Universe and consider how old the Universe is. Consider we know life evolves or we wouldn't be here ourselfs. Consider the fact we have discovered micro-organisms in space existing seperate from our planet.

Then tell me its unlikely that a race has mastered space travel. We are not that far away from apes and we've already travelled space!!!



Well, so what have you proven? All you say is, that technically something might be able to travel to earth.But that doesnt prve that it already has. Even if, isnt the fact that we havent generally seen them more relevant? By this I mean, that it doesnt make a differance in your life, unless its not tengible in some sort of way.


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Perception is limited to consciousness.Expand it and unfold other realities.

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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Huh? :wtf:

Where did it say I had to prove something?

I don't try to prove anything as that is impossible.

If there was proof then we wouldn't be debating ideas here???

The idea I am conveying is that E.T is a far more likely an answer than to say the phenomena is mass hallucination etc etc blah blah.

I am saying it is not logical to believe that peoples DMT glands can release spontaniously en mass and for them to have the same DMT induced vision when there is a perfectly simple and logical extra-terrestial explaination.

If you want to get into the arguement of proof then don't bother with me because I don't think that anybody can prove anything.  I think there are likely or less likely possibilities, that is all.

I am constantly summarising the point of my arguement and even then people just use a diversion tactic (tangents, humour)to avoid something they can't argue with!!!  Do I not explain myself well enough?

I'm not sure I quite understand what your saying at the end but I can tell you, seeing a space craft, that appeared to be alien, close up, certainly changed my outlook on life in a big way...


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Ego Death]
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Swami in your explaination you say that you cannot account for the hundreds of people that can see the virgin mary in what is a randomly formed pattern. The fact is they see something, they see the pattern and it is then that they discern it to be a virgin Mary.

A two-dimensional 20 foot tall glass outline with no detail cannot be determined to represent any human, never mind a long-dead female with an intact hymen of whom we have no physical representation to compare it to.

I find this to be a dangerous mental illness.

You asked how multiple witnesses could come to the same erroneous conclusion and I provided a VERY SOLID example.


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (03/12/05 11:49 AM)

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Swami]
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@dano: No point in being a smartalec!(or angry for that matter)Otheriwse I totally agree with you! :-) And yes, I seemed to have gotten it wrong.(which doesnt make you any smarter though...)

Jazz
P.S: Im sorry for the bullshit, but I just cant stand people beng so self-secure.


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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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JazzMatazz said:
@dano: No point in being a smartalec!(or angry for that matter)Otheriwse I totally agree with you! :-) And yes, I seemed to have gotten it wrong.(which doesnt make you any smarter though...)

    Jazz
P.S: Im sorry for the bullshit, but I just cant stand people beng so self-secure.



insecure about others being secure? :confused:


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Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are -Kurt Cobain
       



     
Hotter than the left sink handle.

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Re: DMT anyone? [Re: Swami]
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Dangerous? Why is it dangerous?


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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