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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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I don't beleive anything I don't see
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and if I don't see it,
it don't exist.

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Yeah, whatever. :rolleyes:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Schwammel said:
and if I don't see it,
it don't exist.


I don't see you.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Icelander]
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what if everything existed even if you never see it :blush:

[not directed directly at icelander]

Edited by Springs (06/08/06 07:14 PM)

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Springs]
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"Schopenhauer begins by saying that the world is an idea insofar as it is an object in the mind of a subject. To be a subject is to be a perceiver, and is not to be a perceived object. Insofar as a subject becomes a perceived object, the subject no longer exists. Subject and object are not a continuum, but have an either-or relationship. An object begins where a subject ends."

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/timewarp/schopenhauer.html

Edited by Schwammel (06/08/06 07:38 PM)

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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So many things are going to conceal themselves from you with that attitude.


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Basilides]
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"The idea of a table or chair is an act of will, and the will is ultimate reality. However, according to Plato, a table or a chair expresses the idea of a table or chair, and the idea of the table or chair is ultimate reality."

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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so would the chair still not be the "ultimate reality" like everything, even if you didnt see it or were aware?

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Check out the movie, "What the bleep do we know". According to that movie, Quantum Physics agrees with you. Until we experience it, it is just possibility.


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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
- The Beatles

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Plato didn't confine his philosophies to sense data.


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Basilides]
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""Schopenhauer concludes The World as Will and Idea by arguing that suffering is caused by unfulfilled or frustrated volition. The only way to overcome suffering is by denial of the will. The will resists its own negation, but if it is completely negated, then the world of representation is also completely negated. Thus, nothing is left of the world after the will has been negated. However, this nothingness of the world of representation can only be in the relation to the being of the world of representation.""

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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"Did you know that a bean is a bean but a pee is relief?"


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Basilides]
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It seems to me that thoughts are sensory. You are sensing distinctions between concepts. I know what you meant, but I think our entire existence is sensory. We are articulating one experience from another, whether that is sight, smell, cognition, or maybe some subtle sense we are not fully aware of but still integrate into our daily life. If we had no sense how could we define anything relative to anything else?


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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
- The Beatles

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Basilides]
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sounds pretty good; but, i think i'll take a pee too...

just another twist on the stick.

I don't beleive anything I don't see

"and if I don't see it,
it don't exist"

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Schwammel said:
"Schopenhauer begins by saying that the world is an idea insofar as it is an object in the mind of a subject. To be a subject is to be a perceiver, and is not to be a perceived object. Insofar as a subject becomes a perceived object, the subject no longer exists. Subject and object are not a continuum, but have an either-or relationship. An object begins where a subject ends."

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/timewarp/schopenhauer.html



What if Person A is staring at Person B, while Person B is staring at Person A? Would Person A not be both a subject (perceiving Person B) AND an object (being perceived by Person B)?

Furthermore, there has to be a base state of consciousness in order to perceive anything. To this consciousness, everything, even the body and mental processes are objects of knowledge. In order to perceive ANY objects, there must be a subject. You can't have a subject without a perceived object, and you can't have a perceived object without a subject. Thus subject and perceived object are completely interdependent. They do not have an either/or relationship.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Schwammel said:
and if I don't see it,
it don't exist.


I guess your emotions don't exist.

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: dblaney]
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i think Schopenhauer answered that by defining the rules as he went along.

In order to have a game you have to define the rules. It was easier when everything was in Latin. It's like all those operas that where sung in italian played in vienna. you think anybody would of came if they knew what it was about? its pure horseshit.

Edited by Schwammel (06/08/06 09:22 PM)

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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think i'll listen to some rou leed

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: Schwammel]
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Schwammel said:
i think Schopenhauer answered that by defining that rules as he went along.

In order to have a game you have to define the rules. It was easier when everything was in Latin. It's like all those operas that where sung in italian played in vienna. you think anybody would of came if they knew what it was about? its pure horseshit.


Wait...what?

What's pure horseshit?

And what rules are you talking about?


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: I don't beleive anything I don't see [Re: dblaney]
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Schopenhauer had some interesting views on women

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/onwomen.html


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