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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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But it is not illegal for someone under the age of 21 to deprive themselves of sleep, while it is illegal for them to drink. Your point is irrelevant.


you have the right to deprive yourself of sleep, as much as you have the right to deprive yourself of alcohol.  We are "open-minded" here, perhaps that's what's causing so many issues for you.  :lol:


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: kotik]
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that doesn't make sense


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
It would be interesting to see drunk driving statistics from countries where alcohol is available to younger people (Germany, Switzerland, etc..) and then compare that to America's drunk driving statistics.

I have a feeling that the legality of booze at younger ages makes it not as much of a "forbidden fruit" and there are less alcohol problems with teens and young adults.


Well, as I said before, most European countries have much better public transportation, so I'm not so sure drunk driving statistics would be the best measure of responsible drinking. In Germany or Switzerland, there are probably a lot more people who take the bus or the light rail, or what have you.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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that's not even really my main point, the points im making is in kotik's profile
"those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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Which is an inaccurate fabrication:

* Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
o This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document. Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson to be the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
o Many variants derived from this phrase have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:
+ "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither"
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: zappaisgod]
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It is also, in fact, a stupid position if you ignore the "essential" vs "temporary" modifiers. Then it becomes just plain foolish.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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that's not even really my main point, the points im making is in kotik's profile
"those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin


it doesnt sound like you care at all about your liberty, you just want alcohol.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: kotik]
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Alcohol is easy to get thats not the issue at all, I just think its a bad law, even from a practical standpoint. Thats just my oppinion. Its easy to argue against it if the drinking age doesn't affect you negatively.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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explain to me (and others) how lowering the drinking age will affect us positively, in any way at all.

In fact, if you can bring up a good argument at all that doesn't involve the words "fair," or "freedom," i'd like to hear it.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: kotik]
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It wouldnt affect those over the age of 21 positively at all... but one can not/should not make decisions about laws based on what would benefit them/their demographic.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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mrlinus41 said:
It wouldnt affect those over the age of 21 positively at all... but one can not/should not make decisions about laws based on what would benefit them/their demographic.


So laws should not be beneficial?


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: Silversoul]
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i meant based solely on what would benefit them or their demographic, thats obviously something to be considered but im tired of arguin my point if ur not convinced im not gonna convince u without takin a lot of time which i dont want to do. Peace


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: mrlinus41]
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or perhaps you dont have a single good reason other than the fact you want to drink, and you aren't old enough yet.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: kotik]
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That's MY reason. I usually have plenty of free beer on the weekends anyhow, but it would be nice if I were able to go pick up a bottle of high quality alcohol once in a while. Underaged people are limited to whatever cheap booze they can get someone to buy for them.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: Konnrade]
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the beauty of that though, is it only lasts a few years. before you even know it you will be wishing you were 19 again.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: kotik]
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I think there should be an age at which one becomes a legal adult, and at that age a person gains the ability to drive, smoke, drink, take drugs, basically participate in any activity that society generally prohibits to "adults" of one age or another.

To be honest, I think anything else is bullshit, regardless of whether or not you think it's better for society to have a higher drinking age than driving age. It's the same argument that people use to ban drugs entirely. If it's fundementally a matter of personal responsibility, you have to allow it. Adults are adults.

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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: OJK]
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what i think is wrong about the law is that it puts you into the catogory of being a criminal for an action that other adults are legal to commit. furthermoore many places have some harsh drinking penalties (in my county its a mandatory $450 fine for a first time offence plus 6 months of unsupervised probation). i could understand just taking the kids alcohol or if they are drunk and out of booze just to escort them home (to protect AND SERVE).

also the federal government doesnt set the law at 21. instead it will not provide money for road construction in the states that dont have the law set at 21.


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Re: American Drinking Age [Re: kotik]
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For awhile in the 70s and 80s a bunch of states (including Maryland, Texas and New York) lowered the drinking age from 21 to 18. The amount of alcohol related deaths and drunk driving accidents increased rapidly. Everyone got together and realized it was a mistake. So they changed it back to 21.

Sorry kids.


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