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InvisibleSwami
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Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans
    #2176785 - 12/14/03 02:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yup! The atrocities of the Bush Administration are shocking. Nearly one million people in prison for the non-violent act of possessing and / or using pot (and mushrooms). Of course, the federal arrest and conviction of state-sanctioned medical maraijuana users suffering from cancer, AIDS and MS is totally unbelievable and counter to any Christian beliefs and basic compassion.

Not torture? It certainly is psychological toruture to take one away from their family, their home and career merely for following their Constitutional right of "the pursuit of happiness" and their "religious freedom".

If the US was not a prohibitionist nation, this human rights' violation of contributing members of society would be considered absolutely appalling.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2176820 - 12/14/03 02:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Bush is responsible for legislation enacted when Nixon was boss?

Remind us please of which legislation Congress has enacted ending the war on drugs which Bush has vetoed.

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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Phred]
    #2176832 - 12/14/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yes, Bush is responsible
any president that continues to support the war on drugs is responsible for the ongoing torture of non-violent drug users in prison.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Phred]
    #2176837 - 12/14/03 03:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I stand corrected.

1. Jailing innocent people is not cruel.

2. The Bush Administration is totally powerless to do anything about this (non-existent) atrocity.

3. Bush had NOTHING to do with appointments, support and direction of Hutchinson and Ashcroft, who are stepping all over the state's constitutional rights while lying to the American people.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2176856 - 12/14/03 03:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Unassailable logic Swami - Bush is the greatest!


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2176863 - 12/14/03 03:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Swami writes:

1. Jailing innocent people is not cruel.

Where's your compassion for prostitutes, pimps, gamblers, and others jailed for victimless crimes? Should drugs be illegal? Nope. Are they illegal? Yep. Have been (in some cases) for over half a century. Does the majority of the American people want drug laws repealed? Nope.

2. The Bush Administration is totally powerless to do anything about this (non-existent) atrocity.

As powerless as every other US administration has been since various drug were outlawed by Congressional legislation, true.

3. Bush had NOTHING to do with appointments, support and direction of Hutchinson and Ashcroft, who are stepping all over the state's constitutional rights while lying to the American people.

Where's your condemnation of the administration of countries such as Sweden? Canada? Mexico? Germany? Or every other country in the world, since there are no countries larger than flyspecks which don't imprison (or kill) people who possess certain drugs.

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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Phred]
    #2176875 - 12/14/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

I really enjoy a voice of reason. :smile:

Methinks my friend Swamster is terrified of a Bush re-election.

I always looked at it this way.  If we could withstand 8 years of that Clinton motherfucker we sure as hell can stand 8 from the President who stood tall against our enemies.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Phred]
    #2176889 - 12/14/03 03:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Where's your commendation of the administration of countries such as Sweden? Canada? Mexico? Germany? Or every other country in the world, since there are no countries larger than flyspecks which don't imprison (or kill) people who possess certain drugs.

I notice you completey dodged that point. Guess you have no real comment. Those countries do not have a constitution giving the states the right to make laws that do not affect interstate commerce which the medical marijuna laws do not.

Apparently you are not hip to the fact that the US lied about the murder and literacy rate in the Netherlands to demonize their liberal policy.

Nor are you aware that the US uses its tremendous financial pressure to keep countries such as Jamaica, Mexico, Canada and others in the prohibitionist dark ages. If the US was concerned about democracy and the "will-of-the-people", such heavy-handed techniques would be totally unnecessary.

Does the majority of the American people want drug laws repealed? Nope.
This is actually unknown. If the facts presented to the American people on which they base this decision are distorted or outright lies, then their will is not really known. This is no different that a conscientious investor buying shares in a company like Enron that "cooked the books" and then went bankrupt.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2176907 - 12/14/03 03:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So Gallup polls are cooked?

Do you have links for any of this tripe?

The Hitler of present day was caught and you go on a rampage.  You really lost me, Bro.

:confused:


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: ]
    #2176942 - 12/14/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So Gallup polls are cooked?

Most peoples opinions are based upon the lies of the prohibitonists.

The Hitler of present day was caught and you go on a rampage.

I like Swami's 'rampage'. Most people rejoice now that Saddam is finally caught. They think that we have accomplished something, that we see the results of long time of toil and hardship. That the world is moving in a positive direction.

And actually, while it is positive that he is caught, it is just a red herring. It's largely unimportant. If Saddam is the Hitler of today, there are countless Hitler's still in charge all over the world. And this particular Hitler was already no longer in charge.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: muhurgle]
    #2176973 - 12/14/03 04:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So we blame Bush because people are too ignorant to research the issue for themselves?

That certainly makes sense.

I disagree that it has no importance or relevance.

As I said in another thread:

If a man breaks into my home because I have valuables (he is filled with envy) and I shoot him, should I not have done that because someone else might do the same thing?

Or, in your case, should I say that it had no relevance?

That is absurd.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Phred]
    #2176997 - 12/14/03 04:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You don't get 40 years for prostitution.

You can get 40 years for drugs very easily.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: ]
    #2177038 - 12/14/03 04:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I already said that it was a positive thing.

But if we continue with your analogy, it's more like if you already have disabled the burglar. Then you shoot him. It's not a major achievment. It is not something that is going to make your life better. (And I'm not saying that it's wrong either)

Then you come to the realisation that there are lots of other burglars out there. But you didn't shoot this particular burglar for no reason at all, you shot him because he had something you wanted (or you could achieve something you wanted by shooting him). You didn't shoot him so that he wouldn't break into your neighbours house. But this is what you say to your neighbour.

Now people are rejocing since we have protected the neighbour.

Bah. Analogies are always bad.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: muhurgle]
    #2177046 - 12/14/03 04:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, they are.  Because I am hella confused now!

:lol:


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: ]
    #2177127 - 12/14/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I really enjoy a voice of reason.

Too bad you are unable to use it.

This post is about the evils certain leaders do to their people while decrying the evils of other leaders. Your tangents have nothing to do with the topic.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2177150 - 12/14/03 05:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If "bush" is torturing them simply by being president, wouldn't that apply to every leader since the Nixon administration? I realize that Clinton didn't torture ALL of them, since his presidental pardon power was up for sale and, by golly, someone scooped it right up.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2177175 - 12/14/03 05:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Does the majority of the American people want drug laws repealed? Nope.
This is actually unknown. If the facts presented to the American people on which they base this decision are distorted or outright lies, then their will is not really known. This is no different that a conscientious investor buying shares in a company like Enron that "cooked the books" and then went bankrupt.




i would say that this majority prolly doesnt believe all..or even most..fascist anti-drug propaganda..as witness those rediculous PDFA ads...but they do realize that drugs..alcohol..and tobacco..impose inflationary costs against the economy...alcohol is protected by the 21st amendment..and im just guessing that the govt is somehow contracturally obligated to big tobacco...other inflationary costs..such as oil to run SUVs and military munitions to get that oil..are viewed by the majority as necessities..even though their not...and then theres pressure on the dollar from the euro and other foreign currencies...

as such..this crowd views the inflationary costs of drug use as a direct personal insult on their incomes..which becomes even more personal when added to the increasing fixed inflationary costs above...if they could be persuaded to shitcan the SUVs..then they might find just a little bit more room for us...


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2177193 - 12/14/03 05:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

IF IF If IF If.. If the queen had balls, she'd be the king.

Until then, if the majority of the people in America don't want something (drug decriminalization), then it won't happen. It doesn't matter WHY they don't want that, it's just what they want. Is it because of propaganda? Yes, sadly, it is. Would it be right for some leader to say "You are all totally wrong, the majority of the country DOESNT want drugs legalized, but I do, so i'm gonna do it". Yes, it would.

The most that Bush could do would be to issue a presidential pardon for each person in jail for possession of marijuana, or whatever. He certaintly can't wave his MagicWand and make it law.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2177197 - 12/14/03 05:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If "bush" is torturing them simply by being president, wouldn't that apply to every leader since the Nixon administration?

Certainly, but not simply by "being president". A Christian moral leader has an obligation not to just "pick the mote from another's eye", but to lead by example. All presidents also have an obligation to the Constitution and to the truth.


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Re: Bush torturing almost 1,000,000 Americans [Re: Swami]
    #2177211 - 12/14/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I know you mean well, Swami but perhaps you should stick to S&P.  :heartpump:

Bush is evil, however the presidency is bigger than one man.


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