fresh313 said:

raise the driving age to 18
then u have a bunch of terrible 18 year old drivers
raise the driving age to 21
then u have a bunch of terrible 21 years old drivers
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BlueRidge said:

any of you live in rural areas?? i do and it simply WOULD NOT work to raise the driving age to 18. around here, 16-17year olds need that freedom that a drivers liscense gives them. teens need to drive to get to and from school, to and from work, to begin to participate in this society. its a gradual process and should be. reckless teenagers who die or kill someone else is simply not a viable argument for rasing the driving age to 18.

oh yeah,

i am under 21 and personally i am fine with the drinking age.

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Konnrade said:

If, with all of those resources, I decide to do something, I will do it whether it is legal or not. I don't give two shits whether what I do is legal if I know it isn't wrong to do it.

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Drinking does can not directly harm anyone other then the consumer, it can only indirectly harm the consumer by its effects on that person's decisions. Using that logic, the government should also ban books on terrorism, and other anti government books, because they can affect peoples' decisions and indirectly harm others. What about books on communism. Communist literature indirectly led to the Russian Revolution, which arguably cripple one of the largest nations in the world. Does that mean the Czarist government would have been right if they effectively and completely censored all of the communist literature and information seeping into Russia? No they would not.

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no, thats not using the same logic.  You are comparing mental / physical (drinking) to intellectual. (reading)

any dumbass with a hole in his face can put alcohol into his body, and within 5-20 minutes, he will physically be showing side effects, loss of motor skills, delayed reaction time, slurring of words, blurry vision. etc. etc.

If you could point me to a book on Communism that will affect that same dumbass within 20 minutes of reading, to the point of not being able to control his own actions physically... well sir, I believe we may have a cure for illiteracy on our hands. 

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Not getting any sleep will also make you a terrible driver, make you exteremely irritable and violent, really hurt your health, and make it exteremly unpleasant for the people around you. Should the government require you to get 8 hours of sleep, or maybe because that would be too difficult to enforce, they could impose a curfew?

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