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Don't fight the holy war
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This is part conspiracy theory, part existentialist..... but I think we are in a critical point in time in which I do not consider it completely incoceivable that world events will lead to a huge clash between Christianity and Islam via America vs Middle East. It could even conceivably end in holocaust.

Now that's the worst possible measure. But what I do know is this. The media is increasingly painting arabs in negative lights, the political cartoon outrage, the beheadings, the Christian being sentenced to death for practicing his religion.

If all arabs were how the media showed us, a holocaust is a certainty.

I implore you. Do not side with America. Do not side with the middle east. Do not side with Christianity. Do not side with Islam.

Side with humanity. Realize that there are violent extremists not only in the middle east oppressing women and killing "infidels" but there are many in our own armies, in our own churches and on the televisions and a few in the governments.

Do NOT play this game. If you play this game, if you cave in to hatred and therefore FEAR, YOU ARE DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTING to the escalation of this "holy war"

Think about it.... the more Americans get pissed off at the extremists Muslims, the more they say "oh ALL muslims are barbian evil people" the more even RATIONAL Muslims get angry and think "Okay you know what if you Christian assholes think we're like that, maybe we should be"

the war is not fought by the extremists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Understand this now.
the extremists are a minority

I CANNOT INSTILL THIS POINT ENOUGH

The war is fought by making people on the fence, normal people like you and me, paranoid hateful and violent and upset! The war is fought by turning US into extremists by playing on our fear and hatred of other human beings.

As long as we as humans stand united and refuse to take part in labeling people as brown, christian, muslim, conservative, liberal, evil, righteous.... as long as we refuse to be programmed. Others will see us as becaons of peace in an uncertain and artifically (yes, artificially) frightening world.

All this... all this is distraction. The terrorists are not the problem, it is the FUTURE terrorists that are the problem. We CANNOT create more of them. The more we hate Islam and arabs in general, the more they hate us in general, the more Americans become more extreme in their hatred against Islam the more Islam becomes more extreme in its hatred of Christianity and Americans.

Take the middle path before it is too late. Do not watch the news. If you do watch it with a critical eye. I see it as a possibility that the media will continue painting Islam in a more and more negative and "evil" way, furthering hatred and decreasing rationality.

I don't see it as Muslims are killing innocent people. I see it as extremists are killing innocent people. I don't care if those extremists bare a confederate flag and drive pickup trucks or ride camels [that's a joke] and tote suicide bombs.

This war is turning US the NORMAL people into extremists..... that is the only true threat to our safety.

Do not tolerate it.

Do not hate.

Do not participate in being scared. Do not be coerced into giving up your freedoms and caving into fear and hatred. And if you are afraid, realize that no one whose main purpose is to instill fear in you is your friend.

Stop suckling off the television, it will only make you more fearful, more uncertain. More ready to truely believe that your life is in immediate danger, that the world is a bout to end. And .... yes... if the world were about to end that's the natural reaction, nuke those [arabic slurs]. We have to kill them all.

If you adopt that mentality this world will crumble you are being manipulated and are not fundamentally different from the people being indoctrinated overseas.

If you understand what I am saying, spread the truth to everyone you know. Our future lies in our hands..... yes there are extremists, yes there is a huge mess in the middle east, but it doesn't get better through xenophobic hatred of an entire ethnicity and a willingness to bomb without care or discretion.

Is regime change a good idea, is democracy in the middle east a good idea? most probably so. Is a doctrine of fear, hate, and eradication of freedoms a good idea? NO. The world will not become a freer place unless America becomes a freer place. We must remain rational and peaceful and urge people to think critically.

Extreme anarchism and hatred of the government does not work either and will only create further persecution of Americans. The way out is with peace, rationality. Speak out, criticize, lambast, but do not hate. Whether it be the people running this show, the people in the middle east, the flag waving "patriots" that think you should be in jail for having shamanistic tendencies.

Don't hate.

Hate, fear.

That is this world. But we are right here in the middle with the opportunity to keep it from falling apart. We CANNOT hate. Ever. We cannot FEAR, ever. As long as these two things do not happen there will be more balance than there will be dissonance. If the average American, once rational comfortable and peaceful, caves into apathy and becomes hateful of boogeymen, we will become a tyrannical police state and the world will be fucked. If the average American stays average and doesn't take things seriously, everything will be fine.

Get involved on a local level, be political, donate to charities. Make your decisions out of love, or if you can't... and it is a c hallenging thing to do. Make them rationally. Never act out of hate. If you want to reform drug laws you don't go to the chief of police and call him a piece of shit, you engage him in rational discussion. You will find common ground with him no matter what his views are. You never hate.

Don't be afraid to speak. I am. I am worried simply writing this will bring unwanted attention my way. We should not fear our government, if we stop speaking and censor ourselves then hope is already lost.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (03/24/06 09:54 AM)

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: leery11]
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What do you make of the occult teachings of the Freemasons and their current involvement in the fate of our country?? (Bush family, media)

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: leery11]
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You think this is Christianity against Islam?

This is fundamentalist Christianity and Islamist extremism united against you and me, the moderate 'sane' section of the worlds' population no matter whether what their beliefs are. Ask any of them, and you'll find that they have more respect for a devout member of the other side than for free thinking secular people.

When the cartoon protests were raging, christian clergy was the first to speak out against the cartoons, secretly hoping that they could bring back blasphemy laws through the backdoor that were finally scrapped in most of the west after a struggle of centuries.
You could just see their eyes twinkle when they talked about the 'limits of freedom of speech'


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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: koppie]
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psyillyazul said:
What do you make of the occult teachings of the Freemasons and their current involvement in the fate of our country?? (Bush family, media)


I know little to nothing about it.
koppie said:
You think this is Christianity against Islam?

This is fundamentalist Christianity and Islamist extremism united against you and me, the moderate 'sane' section of the worlds' population


This is exactly what I am saying. The powers that be are exploiting these two extremes to unite us "normal" people against each other, attempting to put all in a state of paranoid hatred against the other side. Did you read my post friend?

The extremes are meaningless and inconsequential, it is the polarization of us "normals" into becoming extremists that is the fundamental issue of concern.

We have two societies of people that are being conditioned to hate each other based upon actions of extremists through dehumanization in the media.

It is hate propoganda. Western society is being driven to hate and loathe middle eastern society, and vice versa through propoganda, lies, staged events, real events, etc. The more they provoke each other the more "rational" citizens go "holy shit i hate those motherfuckers" and start becoming extremists in themselves.

The powers that be are attempting to drive the NORMAL people toward hatred of THE OTHERS through biased media coverage that paints Islam/Americans as not human.

I view it as the beginning of a self-annihilation of much of the human race in the most severe breaches of the imagination, a stepping stone toward evolution in the most positive lights, and in most probability probably a difficult time of transition.

We are dehumanizing a race and ethnicity of people. They are doing the same to us. NONE of what's going on matters. Not the cartoon. Not any acts of violence the extremists do.... what matters is public opinion of the masses at large. If they are caught up in war hysteria and freak out over these events, things go to hell. If they don't, things will be fairly stable.

Does this clarify my idea? The only threat to global stability lies in the "hearts and minds" of the people that the propoganda is being aimed at. If they cave in to hatred of the other side, their goverment's will become more and more extreme, violent, and annihilate each other futhermore through consent from a brainwashed and ignorant populus.

If the populus sees through this charade and remains rational not much will come of this "war on terror" and it may be "winnable".

I'm typing circles around what I'm trying to say, I feel like I said it best in my opening post and can't quite touch on it in this one.

Let's take the example of a school shooting. Media coverage of school shootings leads to more school shootings. This increases paranoid hysteria. This in turns causes people to become more likely to commit school shootings in general.

So when terrorism happens, more terrorism is likely to follow. Through constant media coverage the nation is polarized against a largely SMALL number of people, and they begin hating. They give their government permission to do ANYTHING necessary to stop this, in reality, minor threat. The government then interferes in the world increasing the number of extremists. The Americans then see the increased extremism as the media begins to draw down a curtain of dehumanization around an entire religion and ethnicity, then many peaceful people in the middle east become upset with America moreso than they ever have before while more Americans hate the middle east than ever before.

pretty soon the media has the majority of its viewers entranced in a spell of hate and things get worse and wrose.

Think if it like this
Terrorism ------------------ most people -------------- American Terrorism

the gap between the two gets smaller and smaller as more people are recruited to join their calling. Events keep happening that make the normal man hate the others more and more and more, until there's hardly a middle man left that doesn't buy into the hate and fear scheme.

It is our goal to not take part in this in any way shape or form, because the threats are always overexagerrated. How many fucking times have you seen NUCLEAR ATTACK IN AMERICA? as a fucking headline on the news? it happened all the fucking time right after 9/11.

This war has little to do with terrorism, it has to do with manipulation, coercion, brainwashing, and propoganda. The threats are small but the public perceives that at any moment they could die in a "sea of fire" from any huge array of possibilities, bio, nuclear, you name it.

When they are that threatened they are willing to let their country completely annihilate the entire region, there are plenty already more than supporting of the "nuke the middle east philosophy"

Why? Because we are kept in a state of vigilant fear and hatred and paranoia of a hyped up imaginative fictional threat. Sure maybe those things could happen to us, but the more we react in hatred to the other side, the more likely they are to happen.

We are in a feedback loop of ever increasing violence and hatred and dehumanization.

The goal? Don't buy into it. Don't let others buy into it. Let us set an example for the world to follow. The extremists are only extreme because of the manipulation that the authority figures.

Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky........
it's One great big festering neon distraction.
HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE.
Try and read between the lines.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (03/24/06 03:09 PM)

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: leery11]
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:bow:

Well said


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Don't be bogged down by your past
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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: niteowl]
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I agree. We would all be shit out of luck... of course that is if life didn't learn. Especially now. In a world of increasing chaos arrived at by organized religion (GOD, supposedly?!), the only logical step to take is find the demon. The Freemasons believe in 'Lucifer the light giver'. Now... who still wants the easy way?? We know where this path leads. Hell. The road to heaven will be nothing we expected but it will require trusting in the opposite at least somewhere along the way.

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: psyillyazul]
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psyillyazul....... I don't follow you....... they call Lucifer a "light giver" ? That seems contradictory. Light is by very nature holy and cleasning and purifying....... I much prefer my run ins with the clear light through steady chi flow [attained once during marijuana use in my infancy of drug use before i abused it] than immense blackness which I often find myself in.

at any rate you are right, if the world operates under dualistic assumptions of God and Devil then it seems that Devil is running the world.

But do you profess faith in such things, or simply that humanity believes in them? Do you have any references to freemasons and their beliefs to give me some background on what you are referring to?

"The road to heaven will be nothing we expected but it will require trusting in the opposite at least somewhere along the way. "
Okay ............. maybe I get it. You're saying that this world is supposed to be run by God.... i.e. God Bless America..... and therefore we should reject "God" and accept the "Devil" simply because the God that the AUTHORITY wants us to believe in represents very evil things?

I get it I guess..... I'm thinking it doesn't matter, trust in the absolutes rather than flip flop them.... trust in God and use the "G word" but realize that nothing in this world has anything to do with God the way it is run up, rather...... we could view the world and American culture especially (pop-culture, mass media, the matrix) as being set up by the "anti-Christ"


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: leery11]
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You got it. Just that at the time of Christ it was already had. What do you think all these secret Knights Templars initiated types have been trying to do?? Christ comes along has some good ideas... Church is basically created with said stolen ideas. No sacrament though, darn. Oh but then what about everybody that knew the TRUTH?? It was either lunch for the lions or keep the secret. Now... whats the secret?? Maybe that GOD isn't actually in a place called heaven... That You are GOD... That the church is actually the manifestation of what's called SATAN?? You know the beast?? Now for the kicker... The tried and true method of reaching the true GOD. The Fruit. "Take, this is my flesh..." Hard to swallow. Hence the secrets. Hence the Skull and Crossbones. Nobody would suspect the angel in a death suit so nobody looks. We are all looking for death in an angel suit.

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
psyillyazul....... I don't follow you....... they call Lucifer a "light giver" ? That seems contradictory. Light is by very nature holy and cleasning and purifying.......


lucifer, or enkil is the called the shining one or the "light bearer". the modern day Yezzid tribe of northern iraq, who practice potent black magick, recognize lucifer by his original names,
that is because previous to Christianity and Islam he was a revered and sacred deity considered responsible for the progression of humanity into knowledge. christianity and islam are religions which suppress higher knowledge and thus they demonized this deity and some deities were stolen and added to the religion. The virgin Mary is a perverson of ISIS or ISHTAR who was previously crowned "queen of heaven" thousands of years before christianity. http://www.freewebs.com/666runes/YHVH.html

im not a spiritual satanist but they put up a goddamn good argument you would be very intruiged by reading here : seriously. comb through the pages in this site, its gripping.
www.666blacksun.com

WARNING: the spiritual satanists and their website is anti-semetic so somebody might be offended. they beleive jews and jewish sorcerers are repsonsible for the imprisonment and torture of astral entities known by them as Daemons and the daemons and lucifer are pretty pissed.

from a buddhist perspective: if the author of the website really is in contact with demons and they really want holy war this is an example of beings trapped in the pretan-realm who are godlike and jealous and draw humans and other entities into their wars with other deities.
be careful. powerful they be, we should instead strive not to be like them and god-like but to ahieve liberation off the wheel of existence.

www.joyofsatan.com has satanic black magic and power meditation. good reads, but with a grain of salt.


according to the satanists: templars, freemasons, all that shit is bullshit. they surround themselves with mystery and occult practices based on kaballah which is supposedly stolen and perveted. when the jews were in egypt they took a series of sacred texts for enlightenment instrutions called KaBanAnkh and wrote it in their own language, hebrew, which is not magical and does not enact the same changes in the central nervous system as the egyptian words. they even perveted the practice with their own personal deity YAHWEH who is not ever mentioned in the original KabanAnkh. this is so the real kabanankh knowledge stays in the hands of a very select few, and out of the hands of other people.

Edited by ShroomDoom (03/28/06 02:44 PM)

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: ShroomDoom]
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ShroomDoom said:
leery11 said:
psyillyazul....... I don't follow you....... they call Lucifer a "light giver" ? That seems contradictory. Light is by very nature holy and cleasning and purifying.......


lucifer, or enkil is the called the shining one or the "light bearer". the modern day Yezzid tribe of northern iraq, who practice potent black magick, recognize lucifer by his original names,
that is because previous to Christianity and Islam he was a revered and sacred deity considered responsible for the progression of humanity into knowledge. christianity and islam are religions which suppress higher knowledge and thus they demonized this deity and some deities were stolen and added to the religion. The virgin Mary is a perverson of ISIS or ISHTAR who was previously crowned "queen of heaven" thousands of years before christianity. http://www.freewebs.com/666runes/YHVH.html

im not a spiritual satanist but they put up a goddamn good argument you would be very intruiged by reading here : seriously. comb through the pages in this site, its gripping.
www.666blacksun.com

WARNING: the spiritual satanists and their website is anti-semetic so somebody might be offended. they beleive jews and jewish sorcerers are repsonsible for the imprisonment and torture of astral entities known by them as Daemons and the daemons and lucifer are pretty pissed.

from a buddhist perspective: if the author of the website really is in contact with demons and they really want holy war this is an example of beings trapped in the pretan-realm who are godlike and jealous and draw humans and other entities into their wars with other deities.
be careful. powerful they be, we should instead strive not to be like them and god-like but to ahieve liberation off the wheel of existence.

www.joyofsatan.com has satanic black magic and power meditation. good reads, but with a grain of salt.


according to the satanists: templars, freemasons, all that shit is bullshit. they surround themselves with mystery and occult practices based on kaballah which is supposedly stolen and perveted. when the jews were in egypt they took a series of sacred texts for enlightenment instrutions called KaBanAnkh and wrote it in their own language, hebrew, which is not magical and does not enact the same changes in the central nervous system as the egyptian words. they even perveted the practice with their own personal deity YAHWEH who is not ever mentioned in the original KabanAnkh. this is so the real kabanankh knowledge stays in the hands of a very select few, and out of the hands of other people.


i believe something on this website must be real. i now know that what we call ANGELS are bad. several days after reading the website and after reading about angels and demons(consequently i was also shrooming that night), the next day my mother confronted me that she had a dream
that an angel came to her and told her that i was consorting with "dark forces" and that i needed to come to the light. this is all the proof i need, that there is a war going on of spiritual proportions greater than most of us can comprehend.


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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: ShroomDoom]
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right o'!! All the definitions make it a little more than confusing. Not to mention the wolves in sheep's wool and vice versa. What if there is only one Human Spirit?? Angels?? Demons?? Dark forces?? Could this all be one phenom??

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: ShroomDoom]
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Admirable double speak. Reason??

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: leery11]
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Whoahh some interesting stuff here. You?re right, aside from the sign your soul over in blood thing, a lot of convincing points there.

I agree these trying times and we must not get caught up into this trap of fear. This is their parlor trick of diverting our attention and putting a false beliefs and fears in people?s heads. However at one point don?t people need to make a choice? Not for a certain religion per se, but we still need to make decisions about what is going on during theses trying times. The powers that be, have blurred the lines of distinction so much that people don?t know who is pulling their strings, so people need to step back and take a look at what really is happening around the world? but for me personally I don?t think you can sit on the fence and watch things go by, we need to stand by our convictions and choose the right side, in our own hearts.

I have a theory made up from bits and pieces of things I read and things just made up in my head, a theory of a circle of belief. There actually some greek word that is akin to ?a circle of belief? I feel that beliefs, words, and semantics is being used in such a way that it encroaches into our personal circles of belief. The war is pushing people to question their own beliefs and pushing them to one side or another and imposing its will on the people. True these bible thumpers are blindly leading a large portion of this country down a crazy road.

With all this being said, I agree with some of your beliefs, but my circle is larger than yours, I?m not trying to swing my spiritual dick around, but I feel people need to realize there is a circle that encompasses the circles of islam, Christianity, pagan and esoteric religions and the teletubbies??..

To me it seems all this is about survival and control, I understand fear can teach a lot of lessons, I?m sure seeing all the atrocities of the world layed out in front of us many are realizing what is going on. So who?s to say what is right or wrong, this is all so very confusing and frustrating, especially a such an enlightened age, that we need to use fear and deception to wrangle the masses.


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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: ImNtCrzy]
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No!! My circle is bigger. And it has less words.

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: psyillyazul]
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yes, less words are probably better, but my feeble mind had to frame my view of things in a watered down form, anyways my circle is ever expanding, yours must be huge!!

Ok here's a question, I've pretty much drawn the conclusion words seldom do reality justice. So how then do we let people see and figure out what is going on without somehow diminishing the awe and wonder of reality?


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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: ImNtCrzy]
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That feeble mind...?? That frame of view...?? Too watered down. Take out the water. All. Where's that shit coming from anyway...?? A giant faucet in the sky??

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: psyillyazul]
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Or build an Ark, right?? That might be faster cause this fucking flood is coming quick. Pardon my FRENCH. Anybody know anything about Cubits?? hee hee

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: psyillyazul]
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i predict the rapture to start on june 6/06 and will complete by winter solstice 2012. this is totally pulled out of my ass, dont believe me for one second.


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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: ShroomDoom]
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I think that since all this time has passed and everybody is still in the dark... They think they are using their minds?!? Well we start using our asses. I think what you mean is imagination, but call it what you will. Pull that shit out, ya know??

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Re: Don't fight the holy war [Re: psyillyazul]
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soon everyone will know the truth, and how close or how far away they really were from it. just watch. some interesting times ahead of us.


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