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What's the Scientific Proof for Science?
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Can you prove the absolute validity of science using only science? And if so, please do so.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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Get together several thousand (or however many you wish) glasses of vinegar, and drop a 1/4 cup of baking soda into each one and see if there are any that don't bubble over.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: it stars saddam]
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i dont understand ?

anomalies happen. look at the mutated humans. and science explains that ( if that is what you were refering to )


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Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one

Diploid said:
What's with proclaiming freedom by abridging freedom? That makes no sense.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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Can you prove the absolute validity of science

Your point becomes moot right there.

Science does not claim "absolute validity". Anyone who does so is not a scientist. Science claims only to have the currently best explanation of the way things work.

That explanation can and does change over time, as the scientific community learns more about nature. Thus "absolute validity" and "science" should not appear in the same sentence.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: elaspeinreason]
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elaspeinreason said:
i dont understand ?

anomalies happen. look at the mutated humans. and science explains that ( if that is what you were refering to )


Mutation in genetics is not an "anomaly", as it is expected to happen.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: trendal]
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Well argued.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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Quote:
sci?ence P Pronunciation Key (sns)
n.
1. a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
....b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
....c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
5. Science Christian Science.


dblaney said:
Can you prove the absolute validity of science using only science? And if so, please do so.


Prove you're not a brian floating in a vat and I can prove that your own experience validates science.
Solipsism is a bitch... but if I were all by myself, I think I'd start believing in God too. If I didn't, I'd vanish in a puff of logic faster than Descartes thinking not.


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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
Can you prove the absolute validity of science

Your point becomes moot right there.

Science does not claim "absolute validity". Anyone who does so is not a scientist. Science claims only to have the currently best explanation of the way things work.

That explanation can and does change over time, as the scientific community learns more about nature. Thus "absolute validity" and "science" should not appear in the same sentence.


someone tell the psychiatrists that....

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: Sclorch]
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Prove you're not a brian floating in a vat and I can prove that your own experience validates science.

Okay...I'm a Daniel floating in a vat. :tongue:

But I don't think there's any way to prove that you aren't. You can argue that by no means does it seem like you are, but I don't think you can ever be positive. Science is but one explanation of Reality, and it is a fairly good explanation for what we call "physical matter". But beyond that it fails miserably, because it employs a very  materialistic philosophy.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
it is a fairly good explanation for what we call "physical matter". But beyond that it fails miserably, because it employs a very materialistic philosophy.


Beyond that? Clarify.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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Quote:
Can you prove the absolute validity of science using only science? And if so, please do so.


That's circular reasoning man.

Definition: a use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion, a method of false logic by which "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this"; also called circular logic


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Trust thyself.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
because it employs a very materialistic philosophy.


Do not equate "materialistic" with "objective".


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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: Sclorch]
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and dont equate "objective" with "infallible sensory input".

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: it stars saddam]
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Beyond that? Clarify.

Beyond that meaning that which is not objectively observable, such as subjective experiences, the divine (though I think it is everywhere, so to say that the divine isn't something would be misleading), higher dimensions, energies, beings...metaphysical phenomena.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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no it is an anomly , we expect the world to end . we dont know when.


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Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one

Diploid said:
What's with proclaiming freedom by abridging freedom? That makes no sense.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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Can you prove the absolute validity of science using only science? And if so, please do so.

Err, nothing in science is ever proved.

This is a common misconception by those who don't have the fist clue about what science is and would be hard pressed to so much as give the definition of the word 'theory', yet somehow feel qualified to comment on scientific matters.

that which is not objectively observable

What is not objectively observable is, by definition, not science. This is why science says nothing about mystical pursuits other than they have never been observed.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: Diploid]
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:thumbup:

Many people fail to realize that faith in science is still faith, and as such it isn't different from other religious and spiritual faiths, although perhaps not as farfetched as some.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
and dont equate "objective" with "infallible sensory input".


Okay, but don't equate "infallible sensory input" with what I said.

Objective - something that actually exists, as determined by consensual agreement (not necessarily the majority) on the interpretation of sensory input and relevant experience.


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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: dblaney]
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Many people fail to realize that faith in science is still faith

There is no such thing as faith in science. There is only the available observations, the likely explanations, and the proposed experiments to validate or invalidate those explanations.

I don't see any faith there, only observation (which requires no faith) and experimental verification (which requires no faith).

That is the net sum of science.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: What's the Scientific Proof for Science? [Re: Sclorch]
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so what is subjective ? the influences of different people on the objective ? which is the consensual agreement on the interpretation of sensory input.. so all objectives are subjecttified ?


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Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one

Diploid said:
What's with proclaiming freedom by abridging freedom? That makes no sense.

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