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OfflineAdamist
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Is Science a form of Mythology?
    #1237640 - 01/21/03 06:14 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

you won't find this on the Discovery Channel...

Science is Mythology

Every story about the creation of the world is a myth-

including Big Bang cosmology

Scientists were the storytellers of the 20th century-

they taught divine faith in the value of measurement...

but once they discovered that they could not measure consciousness...

they found consciousness in everything

and because science could not explain itself-

a new mythology took its place...

it's a

CONSCIOUS UNIVERSE

everything is just the way you think it is!


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237672 - 01/21/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

5 shrooms for you and this thread.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1237686 - 01/21/03 06:31 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks, I actually didn't write that but got it from  http://www.2013.com/, one of the best websites I have ever been to.

PS- Your avatar is thought-provoking. :smile: 


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237717 - 01/21/03 06:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

As was the excerpt!


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237726 - 01/21/03 06:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I hope your right.

I'm sure were all in favor of everything being just the way we think it is.




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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237728 - 01/21/03 06:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

*yawn*


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1237740 - 01/21/03 06:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You might find this difficult to believe, but... skepticism is boring.

No, seriously.

Consider this fact...

if you are a true skeptic, eventually you'll become skeptical of skepticism... of course, you'll have to prove it to yourself first -

what could be more boring than that?


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237798 - 01/21/03 07:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'M NOT A SKEPTIC!!!!
Being skeptical doesn't make one a skeptic.

Opposition only means that one does not subscribe to another's perspective... it is not a category in and of itself.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1237805 - 01/21/03 07:05 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry for judging you. :smile: 


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237820 - 01/21/03 07:11 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, some things in science are theories.  A lot of things, actually.  The Big Bang THEORY, for example.  Or the THEORY of evolution.  The term theory means that it is not known for sure, but only speculation.  Science does not try to hide the fact that it is full of speculation.

But a lot of things in science are FACTS, or LAWS.  They are known.  They can be measured.  They are concrete and absolute.

I happen to be a scientist myself, so don't be dissin' science, man! :tongue: :wink:

-RebelSteve


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1237825 - 01/21/03 07:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Theories are evolved versions of myths. Neither should be believed- but investigated.

And calling science a form of mythology is not dissing it, in my opinion.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1237937 - 01/21/03 08:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Science is Mythology



I'll have to remember this next time I boot up my computer, or board a plane, or use laundry detergent, or bake a cake, or grow mushrooms, or... nah, you're wrong. Mythology is different, maybe your definitions are mythology. Check your premises.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1238070 - 01/21/03 10:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Yes, some things in science are theories.  A lot of things, actually.  The Big Bang THEORY, for example.  Or the THEORY of evolution.  The term theory means that it is not known for sure, but only speculation.  Science does not try to hide the fact that it is full of speculation.

But a lot of things in science are FACTS, or LAWS.  They are known.  They can be measured.  They are concrete and absolute.

I happen to be a scientist myself, so don't be dissin' science, man! :tongue: :wink:

-RebelSteve 




Actually there is no part of science which is concrete or absolute in the sense of that which can be known with certitude.  I say this as a scientist in my own right.  If you don't believe me bring up one law or fact so that I can knock it down.

It's all doxa not episteme, Steve.  There is no manifest Truth.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Evolving]
    #1238073 - 01/21/03 10:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Science is Mythology



I'll have to remember this next time I boot up my computer, or board a plane, or use laundry detergent, or bake a cake, or grow mushrooms, or... nah, you're wrong. Mythology is different, maybe your definitions are mythology. Check your premises.




Actually he has a very good point here. Tomorrow I'll try to dig up my copy of Edith Hamilton's "Mythology". She states it far better than I could.

Science is, for all practical concerns, modern day myth.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: Adamist]
    #1238193 - 01/22/03 01:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

myths are stories that help us make sense of the universe...
the thing about science  (and scientific theory) is that it insists on the testability of a given premise (& the related concept of "peer review" :wink: ), while most other mythos tend towards the attitude of "revealed" or "handed down" explanations...
ymmv...


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: gnrm23]
    #1238646 - 01/22/03 06:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Science was created by man, which means the whole thing is fucking CRAZY, and that fact that it works even SOME of the time is MIND BOGGLING!

Think about it.  Science is based around measurement.
Measurement of WHAT?!
Of properties that WE think things should have?

All the tools we have created to measure things were built to measure things that we could already 'conceive' of, which means "The way we thought things were".
We created tools that PROVED just that!

Things are exactly the way we think/feel/know they are.
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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: ]
    #1238709 - 01/22/03 07:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Science is not based solely on measurements that we think things should have. 
It is based on quantitative information that can be measured such as speed, distance, time, and energy.  I ask you this, can you tell me how much potential energy a rock at the top of a hill has by looking at it?  First you must measure its weight and the distance it is from the bottom of the hill to determine potential energy.  If anyone truly believes that science is simply a myth, then I test you to go a single day without using any scientific methods or reasoning.  It is this reasoning that makes us so much more capable than our chimpanzee relatives, so I insist before you go as far as to disdain your ability to reason you think before you give away the thing that makes you most human. :smirk:   


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1238736 - 01/22/03 07:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Believeing that physical objects such as "a rock" have inherant properties inside of them such as 'potential energy' and other things which can not be directly proven to exist is not a BAD thing.
Science has accomplished alot with the assumptions it has made.  But the thing is, that science is just one model, one way of looking at the information we have been given.  One interpretation.

I'm having a really difficult time getting across what I'm meaning to get across  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :confused: :mad: :frown:


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: ]
    #1238745 - 01/22/03 07:29 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Can you honestly say that a car moving at 70 MPH will cause less or equal damage than one sitting still? If your answer is yes then so be it, but we know the truth. It has more potential energy and will cause a shitload more damage. When it hits the wall or car or person the potential energy is released as work, which in turn causes the damage.


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Re: Is Science a form of Mythology? [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1238841 - 01/22/03 08:07 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I am strongly aware of the fact that mass seems to exist, and as such has repurcussions. Energy is what I'm talking about (forget relativity for a second). When is the last time you SAW electricity flowing through a wire, or SAW momentum stored inside an object (not as just a cause of it's velocity)?

Here is what I mean. We ASSume, that all matter is made up of these smaller things that we CAN NOT SEE WITH OUR EYES kuz they're too small, called ATOMS.
So we make a tool that can SEE these atoms for us. With assumptions like "well if they look like a tiny ball, then we should be able to shoot high frequency radio waves at them and capture the diffraction patter on some film, thus showing us what they look like"

What if ATOMS are just mathematical IDEAS, and NOT physical little spheres?!
The results from experiments with them would be identical, and since we can NEVER EVER actually see them with the naked eye, then whatever idea we have formed in our head about what they are, is what our apparatus used for looking at them are going to look for!

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