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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: Chronic7]
    #7945602 - 01/28/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Your interpretation of your personal experience is subjective and based most likely on your hopes and fears and so could be incorrect. If no proof could convince you otherwise you are a true believer (like a fundamentalist christian who claims a conversion experience) and have no objectivity whatsoever.

IMO it doesn't get worse than this.:thumbdown:

"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: Chronic7]
    #7945790 - 01/28/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)


chronic777 said:
NOONE understands quantum mechanics (which are all just theorys anyway)so i dont really try to be honest.

It's Feynman how said that first, but it was more in the sense that none understand why the toast always falls on the peanut butter side, or the last few why of an inquisitive child. It was indeed more an expression of astonishment toward the unintuitiveness of nature's ways than anything else.

But, it is not "just" a theory, it is a scientific theory one can understand given enough time and hard work, with a great formalism, great experiments, a theory which was never falsified, gives incredible predictions to better than 1 in 10 billions (no other theory does so) and finally a theory which predicted novel things which were later measured. It is not something magical, it is not like in "What the bleep do we know", it is not just a brainfart and most importantly it is not a magical wand you shake high to make your wishes come true. Damn, it has application right now, in front of you. This computer thingy with its transistors we understand because we understand a good deal about the quantum behavior of solids, electrons and molecules.

Edited by deimya (01/28/08 03:33 PM)

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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: deimya]
    #8156114 - 03/17/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well sure, in the Newtonian universe, where "skin-encapsulated egos" come into play, there is no plausible room for any sort of intercommunication between these so called suspended particles in an absolute space on a fixated linear time line. However, in Jungian philosophy and trans-personal psychology, a myriad of case studies in psychedelic sessions (as well as meditation) from one psychologist alone, Stanislav Grof M.D. has proven that in non-ordinary states of consciousness, our minds have the ability to transcend and decompose our egos into an existence which is not alternate or illusory, but expanded, communicative and a necessary backdrop for spiritual evolution. No culture can progress positively unless embedded in an accessible spiritual or mystical unity. America is materialistically a successful nation, inasmuch that we function and protect the right to life, but it exists a nation in a stasis of falsity, conformity and material destination. Just as in the days of Copernicus where it was widely believed the Earth was flat and you would have been labeled insane to speculate otherwise, just as the Wright brothers were constantly told they were never going to defeat gravity, it is only a matter of time in which we begin to realize that our consciousness is not only shared and personal at the same time, but also a living interactive entity that ties the knot between spirituality and science.

"Death is a release from the impressions of the senses, and from desires that make us their puppets, and from the vagaries of the mind, and from the hard service of the flesh. "
Marcus Aurelius

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