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The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality
    #2964561 - 08/04/04 03:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Spirituality and Science


The Holographic Universe

This very, very exciting article actually gives a scientific theory behind many spiritual viewpoints and spiritual experiences, including enlightenment and the perception of oneness encountered by many people that have had strong spiritual experiences.

It all started 1982 at the University of Paris. A research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. After this, it didn't take long before the idea of a holographic universe was created. But the implications of this are truly mind boggling?

Cosmos as a super hologram, Regressions into the animal kingdom, The Holographic Universe, The Holographic Universe, The power of visualization, Transpersonal psychology, Synchronicities, The brain as a hologram, Enlightenment, Consciousness creates reality, The Universe as a Hologram, Bohm and Pribram's holographic paradigm

Spirituality and Science: The Holographic Universe

By Michael Talbot

In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science.


Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since travelling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser.

Holograms

To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern(the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.


The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole.


The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has laboured under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart some thing constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.


This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.


The Aquarium Model

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fishes, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.

This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

Cosmos As A Super Hologram

In addition to its phantom like nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.


In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of super hologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the super holographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.


What else the super hologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the super hologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."


Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the super hologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or as he puts it, perhaps the super holographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development". Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality.

The Brain As A Hologram

Pribram was drawn to the holographic model by the puzzle of how and where memories are stored in the brain. For decades numerous studies have shown that rather than being confined to a specific location, memories are dispersed throughout the brain. In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage.


Then in the 1960s Pribram encountered the concept of holography and realized he had found the explanation brain scientists had been looking for. Pribram believes memories are encoded not in neurons, or small groupings of neurons, but in patterns of nerve impulses that crisscross the entire brain in the same way that patterns of laser light interference crisscross the entire area of a piece of film containing a holographic image. In other words, Pribram believes the brain is itself a hologram.


Pribram's theory also explains how the human brain can store so many memories in so little space. It has been estimated that the human brain has the capacity to memorize something on the order of 10 billion bits of information during the average human lifetime (or roughly the same amount of information contained in five sets of the Encyclopaedia Britannica). Similarly, it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage -- simply by changing the angle at which the two lasers strike a piece of photographic film, it is possible to record many different images on the same surface. It has been demonstrated that one cubic centimeter of film can hold as many as 10 billion bits of information.


Our uncanny ability to quickly retrieve whatever information we need from the enormous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra", you do not have to clumsily sort back through some gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "striped", "horselike", and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly. Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross- correlated with every other piece of information -- another feature intrinsic to the hologram. Because every portion of a hologram is infinitely interconnected with every other portion, it is perhaps nature's supreme example of across-correlated system.


The storage of memory is not the only neuro physiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses(light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through the senses into the inner world of our perceptions.


An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists. Argentinian-Italian researcher Hugo Zucarelli recently extended the holographic model into the world of acoustic phenomena. Puzzled by the fact that humans can locate the source of sounds without moving their heads, even if they only possess hearing in one ear, Zucarelli discovered that holographic principles can explain this ability. Zucarelli has also developed the technology of holophonic sound, a recording technique able to reproduce acoustic situations with an almost uncanny realism.


Pribram's belief that our brains mathematically construct "hard" reality by relying on input from a frequency domain has also received a good deal of experimental support. It has been found that each of our senses is sensitive to a much broader range of frequencies than was previously suspected. Researchers have discovered, for instance, that our visual systems are sensitive to sound frequencies, that our sense of smell is in part dependent on what are now called "osmic frequencies", and that even the cells in our bodies are sensitive to a broad range of frequencies. Such findings suggest that it is only in the holographic domain of consciousness that such frequencies are sorted out and divided up into conventional perceptions.


The synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views

But the most mind-boggling aspect of Pribram's holographic model of the brain is what happens when it is put together with Bohm's theory. For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion. We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the super hologram.


This striking new picture of reality, the synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views, has come to be called the holographic paradigm, and although many scientists have greeted it with scepticism, it has galvanized others. A small but growing group of researchers believe it may be the most accurate model of reality science has arrived at thus far. More than that, some believe it may solve some mysteries that have never before been explainable by science and even establish the paranormal as a part of nature.

Numerous researchers, including Bohm and Pribram, have noted that many para-psychological phenomena become much more understandable in terms of the holographic paradigm. In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is infinitely interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level. It is obviously much easier to understand how information can travel from the mind of individual 'A' to that of individual 'B' at a far distance point and helps to understand a number of unsolved puzzles in psychology. In particular, Grof feels the holographic paradigm offers a model for understanding many of the baffling phenomena experienced by individuals during altered states of consciousness.

Regressions into the animal kingdom

In the 1950s, while conducting research into the beliefs of LSD as a psychotherapeutic tool, Grof had one female patient who suddenly became convinced she had assumed the identity of a female of a species of prehistoric reptile. During the course of her hallucination, she not only gave a richly detailed description of what it felt like to be encapsulated in such a form, but noted that the portion of the male of the species' anatomy was a patch of colored scales on the side of its head. What was startling to Grof was that although the woman had no prior knowledge about such things, a conversation with a zoologist later confirmed that in certain species of reptiles colored areas on the head do indeed play an important role as triggers of sexual arousal.


The woman's experience was not unique. During the course of his research, Grof encountered examples of patients regressing and identifying with virtually every species on the evolutionary tree (research findings which helped influence the man-into-ape scene in the movie Altered States). Moreover, he found that such experiences frequently contained obscure zoological details which turned out to be accurate.

Transpersonal psychology


Regressions into the animal kingdom were not the only puzzling psychological phenomena Grof encountered. He also had patients who appeared to tap into some sort of collective or racial unconscious. Individuals with little or no education suddenly gave detailed descriptions of Zoroastrian funerary practices and scenes from Hindu mythology. In other categories of experience, individuals gave persuasive accounts of out-of-body journeys, of precognitive glimpses of the future, of regressions into apparent past-life incarnations.


In later research, Grof found the same range of phenomena manifested in therapy sessions which did not involve the use of drugs. Because the common element in such experiences appeared to be the transcending of an individual's consciousness beyond the usual boundaries of ego and/or limitations of space and time, Grof called such manifestations "transpersonal experiences", and in the late '60s he helped found a branch of psychology called "transpersonal psychology" devoted entirely to their study.


Although Grof's newly founded Association of Transpersonal Psychology garnered a rapidly growing group of like-minded professionals and has become a respected branch of psychology, for years neither Grof or any of his colleagues were able to offer a mechanism for explaining the bizarre psychological phenomena they were witnessing. But that has changed with the advent of the holographic paradigm.

As Grof recently noted, if the mind is actually part of a continuum, a labyrinth that is connected not only to every other mind that exists or has existed, but to every atom, organism, and region in the vastness of space and time itself, the fact that it is able to occasionally make forays into the labyrinth and have transpersonal experiences no longer seems so strange.

Consciousness Creates Reality

The holographic paradigm also has implications for so-called hard sciences like biology. Keith Floyd, a psychologist at Virginia Intermont College, has pointed out that if the concreteness of reality is but a holographic illusion, it would no longer be true to say the brain produces consciousness. Rather, it is consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain as well as the body and everything else around us we interpret as physical.

Such a turnabout in the way we view biological structures has caused researchers to point out that medicine and our understanding of the healing process could also be transformed by the holographic paradigm. If the apparent physical structure of the body is but a holographic projection of consciousness, it becomes clear that each of us is much more responsible for our health than current medical wisdom allows. What we now view as miraculous remissions of disease may actually be due to changes in consciousness which in turn effect changes in the hologram of the body.



The Power Of Visualization

Similarly, controversial new healing techniques such as visualization may work so well because in the holographic domain of thought images are ultimately as real as "reality". Even visions and experiences involving "non-ordinary" reality become explainable under the holographic paradigm. In his book "Gifts of Unknown Things," biologist Lyall Watson describes his encounter with an Indonesian shaman woman who, by performing a ritual dance, was able to make an entire grove of trees instantly vanish into thin air. Watson relates that as he and another astonished onlooker continued to watch the woman, she caused the trees to reappear, then "click" off again and on again several times in succession.

Although current scientific understanding is incapable of explaining such events, experiences like this become more tenable if "hard" reality is only a holographic projection. Perhaps we agree on what is "there" or "not there" because what we call consensus reality is formulated and ratified at the level of the human unconscious at which all minds are infinitely interconnected. If this is true, it is the most profound implication of the holographic paradigm of all, for it means that experiences such as Watson's are not commonplace only because we have not programmed our minds with the beliefs that would make them so. In a holographic universe there are no limits to the extent to which we can alter the fabric of reality.


What we perceive as reality is only a canvas waiting for us to draw upon it any picture we want. Anything is possible, from bending spoons with the power of the mind to the phantasmagorical events experienced by Castaneda during his encounters with the Yaqui brujo don Juan, for magic is our birthright, no more or less miraculous than our ability to compute the reality we want when we are in our dreams. Indeed, even our most fundamental notions about reality become suspect, for in a holographic universe, as Pribram has pointed out, even random events would have to be seen as based on holographic principles and therefore determined. Synchronicities or meaningful coincidences suddenly makes sense, and everything in reality would have to be seen as a metaphor, for even the most haphazard events would express some underlying symmetry.

A New Reality

Whether Bohm and Pribram's holographic paradigm becomes accepted in science or dies an ignoble death remains to be seen, but it is safe to say that it has already had an influence on the thinking of many scientists. And even if it is found that the holographic model does not provide the best explanation for the instantaneous communications that seem to be passing back and forth between subatomic particles, at the very least, as noted by Basil Hiley, a physicist at Birbeck College in London, Aspect's findings "indicate that we must be prepared to consider radically new views of reality".

Here are some more great articles under the topic Spirituality and Science:
* Kalki on The Nature of Mind - I
* Kalki on The Nature of Mind - II
* Kalki on the Difference between Science and Spirituality
* Spiritual Awakening: Self Inquiry and the multidimensional Self by Kiara Windrider
* Science and Spirituality: How are your Heart and Brain connected to God? by Virginia Essene
* Dowsing: Mathematical Harmony in the Solar System? by Arne Groth, translated by Lucie Minne
* Spirituality and Science: The keys to integrating spirituality and science by Paul P. Budnik Jr
* Spiritual Awakening: Recognising the Oneness of All by Ruth Kelland
* Spiritual Science: DNA is influneced by words and frequencies by Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf
* Venus Transit: A call for Global Oneness by Kiara Windrider and The Global Oneness Foundation
* Morphogenic Fields: The Morphogenic fields explained by "The Hundredth Monkey" by Ken Keyes Jr.
* Vedic Mythology: Are There Cosmic Causes and Cures for All Evils? by SC Varma
* Vedic Science: Understanding The Creation Of The Universe by Stephen Knapp
* Consciousness: What is Consciousness? by Bharati Sarkar
* Consciousness: The Conscious Universe, part I - Introduction by Dean Radin
* Consciousness: The Universe, Part I - The Universe As a Teaching by Jacob Needleman
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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965280 - 08/04/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Woah.

Best. Thread. Ever.


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    #2965322 - 08/04/04 07:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, except it was already posted before, a few months or a year ago. Never mind. Very interesting anyway.


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965331 - 08/04/04 07:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That was a very nicely written document, and would affirm what I've always believed. Now they would only need to tie in quantum physics and string theory into that, and we may have an actual study into the way the universe works beyond human perception and the four time-space dimensions


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: Aldous]
    #2965332 - 08/04/04 07:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for the repeat to ya Aldous. I'm new here. I thought of it to help out jaque coustuo in his fractal post. Understanding it helps out in a lot of current posts up actually. It definetely tied some puzzle pieces together for me.

hopefully it will be new to a handful who will dig it, like evil chip monk. Glad you liked it!


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    #2965349 - 08/04/04 07:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It definitly 'tied a few puzzle pieces together' for me, too, as well as reaffirming my personal beliefs.  Very groovy.  :thumbup:


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    #2965356 - 08/04/04 07:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Glad you dug it too ravus and I agree with what you said about tieing the other stuff in. That would be cool to have it all in a concise summed up understanding.


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    #2965515 - 08/04/04 08:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

In conjunction with Quantum Theory, in which everything happens at once and consciousness determines which things are experienced solidly, this is crazy stuff. This means that consciousness is constantly drawing order out of an infinite but singular object. What I want to know however, is what makes reality consistent to different people, and also how and why does consciousness and the holographic brain exist? If absolute reality is nothing but a store of meaningless possibilities, how does our subjective reality get created? I mean you can't have something out of nothing, an effect without an cause.


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: Ravus]
    #2965571 - 08/04/04 09:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
That was a very nicely written document, and would affirm what I've always believed. Now they would only need to tie in quantum physics and string theory into that, and we may have an actual study into the way the universe works beyond human perception and the four time-space dimensions




I think both theories fit very well. If all things are projections of one thing string theory could explain aspects of their interconnectedness. Quantum physics also works well with the holographic universe except it complicates things: the reality that holds all information would also hold all possibilities. The consciousness chooses a path among these when creating reality. That is crazy, in essence consciousness creates holographic reality from infinite possible bits of information. The only thing that would hold conscious reality together would be the continium of time, which would create consistency from moment to moment. Only problem, time doesn't really exist...


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    #2965729 - 08/04/04 09:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Those are good questions and considerations you pose Sky and it would broaden my understanding to work through addressing them and I will. heads a little to cluttered at the moment.

I can spit this out. Somewhere you went on the assumption of a meaningless existance being an ingredient and didn't understand where that fit in.

I don't see absolute meaninglessness in the equation because even meaningless existance has meaning to anyone in it or observing it. Maybe someone will tell you that there life has NO meaning. Well an observer somewhere of that persons life can find meaning in it. Because of the holgraphic nature of existance- that dudes life does have meaning weather he realises it or not. His meaning to someone else makes him count. In a twisted way, I think even peoople who beleive in meaningless existance find meaning in that that serves them. Meaning is in the equation even if its just the meaning of meaninglessness.

I'll be back to cover the rest. This is cool.


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    #2965755 - 08/04/04 10:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I guess I should say "inately meaningless"


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    #2965820 - 08/04/04 10:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You wrote:

"This means that consciousness is constantly drawing order out of an infinite but singular object."

I agree with that! fucking amazing huh! I have some black hole white hole theories on how that works


You wrote:
" What I want to know however, is what makes reality consistent to different people,

ya, that one freaks me out too, who and what organises that- again fucking amazing and I can't wait to understand it myself. Some understanding of a group out of this dimensnion of the time Lords sort of covers it weakly- they talk about what they do to hold synchronization but not how. I have a minimal understanding of it but my brain just can't go there now. I've seen the seemlessness of how this works sometimes. Thats been in non drug induced ephinany states and its hard for me to hold the info when I come down from them.

You asked:

"and also how and why does consciousness and the holographic brain exist?"

Will we ever all agree on that or even know. Silver posed that question in a post here. I lean towards orginal source consciousness busting itself a part into individuated piece through the use of the mirrored hologram so it could know itself through the mirro of self reflection. prior to the Big bang, it was a singularity that didn't know what the hell it was and burt under the pressure of wanting to know.

Sometimes, i think that everything we live out and play out is all the thoughts that were enetrtained while the ONE mind was a singularity wishes and dreaming it had friends to play with and lovers to love etc.



You wrote this:
" If absolute reality is nothing but a store of meaningless possibilities, how does our subjective reality get created? I mean you can't have something out of nothing, an effect without an cause."

I don't know about absolute reality or that it's possibbilities are meaningless, like I wrote in the above. I think absolute reality and the possibilities hold the meaning of self knowing and self understanding through the reflection of the holgram split.

You wrote:

" The only thing that would hold conscious reality together would be the continium of time, which would create consistency from moment to moment. Only problem, time doesn't really exist..."

I beleive time exists simultaneously. I also don't think simultaneous time is the glue. I do want to think on what the possible glue is though and will get back on that


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965865 - 08/04/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Duh,

I knew I was brainfried from typing a lot today if I spaced this

Electromagnetism holds it all together.

I can probably expansiate on some of this up the road when my head is clear again.


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2966115 - 08/04/04 11:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

wow, jsut wow

that coincides perfectly with a post I did on rogue pixie's thread regarding what we believe.


have you ever tried salvia????

I'm serious, I have experienced myself as lightbulb

I have experienced myself as another being on another plane of existence. 

this whole reality literally crumbles away.  and is instantly replaced. 

I could go deeper into but I'm really tired, I will later

somehow I knew you'd post something like this  :thumbup:


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: kaiowas]
    #2966233 - 08/05/04 12:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Dude,

My mind is trippy enough without the drugs. I see into dimensions and all kinds of stuff. I have more going on in my head then I will ever know what to do with or be able to make sense of. I trip out easily drug free. What I need is to ground out better.  :lol:

I told you you knew me!

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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2967398 - 08/05/04 12:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

you can measure superficiality by the scope of applicability
alluded to and the depth taken during exploration or explanation of any part of it.

the best part of it is the fish tank with the two cameras.


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2967412 - 08/05/04 12:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

How does our subjective reality get created? I mean you can't have something out of nothing, an effect without an cause.




I know one of the sections of this article is titled 'Consciousness creates reality', but I think that neither really 'creates' the other- they exist in a kind of symbiosis, a balance in which one cannot exist without the other.  You could say they both 'create' each other, but to me the word 'create' implies a beginning, and in a holographic universe where there is no time, there are no beginnings or ends.  Our consciousness draws and organizes information from the 'great hologram' into subjective reality, but it is also part of the information itself, not a separate entity.  The holographic universe and the consciousness within it are both the cause, and the effect, of each other.

On a another note, I don't personally believe that this 'consciousness' would be limited to the things most people consider to be 'alive', such as humans, animals, plants, etc.  In a holographic universe, consciousness is resonance.  The light (information) reflected onto us by the surrounding 'absolute reality' is absorbed, and reflected back at a different angle.  Everything resonates- the rocks, the sky, the water, the stars, the subatomic particles- even light itself.  These things just resonate in a different, slightly less complicated way than we do.  In other words, conscious entities (the 'living' creatures on this planet) did not spring forth from an 'unconscious' universe... the holograph itself is alive, and aware.  :zoom:


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2972338 - 08/06/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This was an amazing read, and like most of the repliers it enunciated more clearly what I'd been thinking all along.
Thanks for posting it, man !


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2973044 - 08/06/04 07:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This body, this body holding
Be my reminder here that I am not alone in,
This body, this body holding me
We are eternal all this pain is an illusion... :tripping:

~Maynard James Keenan of TOOL


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Re: The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2973077 - 08/06/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

gettinjiggywithit said:
His meaning to someone else makes him count




Are you female?


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