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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Another thing...

People make many statements over the course of a day, and have hundreds, if not thousands of little notions and ideas. Over a longer period of time, the number gets to be enormous.

The human mind also chugs away and invents patterns, things of strange connections between things, and imagines all kinds of crazy, interconnected things.

The odds that a few suprising coincidences won't happen, even on a fairly regular basis, between our imaginations and reality are extremely low. Just because everyone has a few examples of exciting coincidences between things they thought and imagined, and reality doesn't indicate that they were clairvoiant, it merely indicates that their brains are doing what they do best, searching constantly for connections and patterns in everything.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Phluck]
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if someone claims that ketchup and vinegar make gold

I just went to the store and bought a case of each. Now what do I do?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Swami]
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Mix 'em, then sell 'em!


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Swami]
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Step 1: Drink 500ml of vinegar
Step 2: Insert spout of ketchup bottle into nose.
Step 3: Empty contents of ketchup bottle into nose.
Step 4: Wait 24-48 hours.
Step 5: Recover 24k solid gold nuggets from feces.

Let us know how it goes, man! :grin:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Phluck]
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I had great success mixing and selling my lime and coconut combination...  :stoned:


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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Swami]
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YOU HAVE LIME & COCONUT!!!!!?!?!?!

Swami! You've been holding out on me!


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Phluck]
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I don't have scientific evidence phluck because science hasn't developed the means to evident ESP with predicable repeatability and neither do I. That's what we have been talking about. The question is, is science the ultimate tool. we have been discussion its current limitations.

Because science does not yet have the means to explain or evident something by its current means does not mean that only what it can to date is all that is.

Do you believe that only what is magically appears once science says it is there? Or could it be that it was there and science just discovered it?

Could it be that ESP is a part of existence and not fully discovered or understood yet to draw any conclusions?

Science has not yet full filled the human experience. Humans have not yet full filled the human experience. Both continue to make new discoveries about it.

You waste your time replying to me with common skepticism. I post at a psychedelic message board to compare notes with other explorers of consciousness and with those exploring the meta aspect of reality.

reality itself is apparent. I want to know whats behind it, what drives it from the unseen fields and how it works synergistically. Modern science can't help me out much there. Only those acting as their scientists in self discovery can.

I play around with morph fields that support my physical body phluck. Been doing it for almost 10 years now and keep discovering more and much I can use to my benefit to keep me going. If and when you come along with a silly skeptic comment, at best all I can do is laugh and wonder why you waste the time replying to me.

It's okay with me if you trust only in science and give no merit to your own experiences or those of others.

You and I don't relate in this area phluck except for understanding pattern recognition. Where we part roads is that you see all pattern recognition in a "before" matter. In other words, you recognize that we can recognize patterns that have taken place before hand.

ESP works by pattern recognition and its not always those that came before. Subspace can take you to any point in time, like warping the fabric of space time. You believe the future hasn't happened yet. I believe time is actually simultaneous and is just experienced in a polarized before and after linear fashion when perceiving through the 5 physical senses. ESP means extra sensory perception. I believe we have a sixth sense. Still working at understanding how it works, not if it exists or not. I've already proven that to myself.

And I realize that I am wasting my time with this reply. Enjoy your day phluck. I have to find someone to install new floors in my home.

Oh and I think it was called PSI calculous that deals with multi dimensional math. Thats what it was. I dug up some good links on it last fall when Seuss brought it up but have had to wipe out my hard drive since them and lost fav folders links or I would post them. It's interesting stuff.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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You waste your time replying to me with common skepticism. I post at a psychedelic message board to compare notes with other explorers of consciousness and with those exploring the meta aspect of reality.
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:thumbup: you nailed it. I like your whole post jiggy.

I am amazed at how scientific definitions are considered sacrosanct. If someone uses a definition that dosen't jibe with mine, we talk it out until we agree or understand the disagreement.

Science isn't really the problem here. It's the rigid practitioners, IMO. I often wonder why the science only proponents are here instead of at the much better science forums elsewhere.. There must be something attractive about this place. I would love to hear from Diploid on this one.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Icelander]
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Some may agree that "spirituality" is really a layman's language of what is scientifically known as "psychology".

In the absence of erudition, imagination with the combination of one's own personal memories, experiences and creativity takes over. This usually results in symbolized answers to the seeking questions.

Often, one's own "spiritual" answers will point towards the same direction as the scientific answer to the same question.

However, due to the common characteristic of undisciplined thinking, many people simply blind themselves from this insight due to their neurotic defenses surrounding their precious, high-maintanence belief. Quite stressfull, it sounds.

Hence, one reason why the conflict arises between the two partisans of truth-seekers... Fortunately, many others still see the absurdity of such dichomotization and rather advocate the mature, healthy unification of the two manifestations of the Universe.

Rationality is a most powerful spiritual tool that man has, IMHO.

I would stick my neck out to say that if 99% of the human race were entirely rational beings, then the drop in violence and crime would be astronomical.

"Oh, but then everything would be boring, and lifeless and stuff like that!"
Wrong. This is a common fallacy perpetuated by those who have far too much emotional [mis]bias, too much time on their hands and too stubborn to get out and learn a thing or two. The fact that the actual absurdity of such a notion isn't apparent to some people is very alarming.

Anyway, a point I wanted to make was the connection of rationality in spiritual maturity and in scientific discovery; upon seeing the relation between the two, one can see that the two partisans do indeed share one very important principal.




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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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I  agree. :thumbup: :heart: :cool:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Icelander]
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I would stick my neck out to say that if 99% of the human race were entirely rational beings, then the drop in violence and crime would be astronomical.


The same would be true if 99% of the human race were entirely LOVING beings.

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Icelander]
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I agree with you. I often wonder what draws those not exploring consciousness to this specific forum. I often wonder why philosophy isn't a forum of its own made for those geared towards debate and not exploration. The co-mingling of the two contributes to a lot of counter production and the wasting of peoples time.

Oh well, we make the best of what we can eh?

My apologies if anything I wrote recently came off hostile. I've been on the phone back and forth with Home depot resolving major ongoing fuck ups on their part though out the week and I think some of my frustration with them leaked out. They got the best of me I admit it. I ended up calling them retarded for dropping the ball so poorly so many times on a guaranteed potential $10,000 order. Oh well, I am laughing now about it already.

Maybe I should shift gears and post on understanding human incompetence and how home depot explains the phantoms that called to cancel appointments in my name when I never made such calls.WTF? Why can't the measuring person be honest enough to say, "I'm sorry. I am a shit head who is poor at time management and keep deferring you with bogus excuses until its convenient for me to get to your area before my punch out time at 4:00."

Science isn't the ultimate tool. Forgiveness is.
:heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Veritas]
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Could it be that rationality is a facet of the gem called Love, Stillness, Joy, Genuine Peace?



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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Science isn't the ultimate tool. Forgiveness is.

*Swami gets in his Ford Forgiveness 2000 to drive to work, but for some reason it just won't start. He then reaches into his GE Forgivinator to get out some ice cubes, but it is all warm. Swami then tries to forgive the Gonorrhea germs infecting him instead of using penicillin, but it still hurts like hell when he pisses.*


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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Swami]
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What good is all of that if I live in bitter resentment, power struggles, frustration, and il will towards others?

Swami, you wrote elsewhere recenty about life taking you to levels of different sets of rules. I will leave you with that to ponder how it relates.

Perhaps I should say that I think the science of forgiveness is the ultimate tool. There is a method to forgiving properly which begets consistant results making it a science. Perhaps I should say its the ultimate scientific tool for me to craft an ideal reality of my design with.

Perhaps I should also say, that your reply was funny. It was!:lol:

Laughter is the third ultimate tool. Love is the second.


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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Swami]
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You need to wear condoms on those one nighters Swami. :ass2mouth:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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reality itself is apparent.

If different people are getting completely different interpretations of reality, then no, obviously it's not completely apparent.

People can convince themselves of anything. Just because you have convinced yourself of something doesn't make it so.


I play around with morph fields that support my physical body phluck. Been doing it for almost 10 years now and keep discovering more and much I can use to my benefit to keep me going.

What does that even mean? How do you know they exist? It just sounds like you've assumed the sensations you get when focusing on physical tasks are something that exists outside your mind.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Phluck]
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What can exist outside of mind without my mind being aware of its existance?

Thats impossible for me to do Phluck. Niether science nor you or I even know where the mind is located. How could we possibly know if anything is truly outside of it, when we son't even know where it is our what it's boundaries are.

A table is appearant as a table. We can see it, touch it, taste it, hear it's silence and smell it. What about the stuff we become aware of that we can not see, taste, touch hear or smell with the 5 physical senses? Touch is related to feeling nerves. Emotional feeling is not considered as a physical sensory perceptor. I can see why because it is the sixth sense that can percieve the non physical reality.

There is a term out there labeled emotional hyper sensitivity. Hyper means extra spatial or space within space. Scientist use it when they are discussing hyper dimensions. Ever see a drawing of a hyper cube?

Take 3 dimensional space and add hyper space to the equation. Now we are getting into the quantum field or sub space, the space within space that take up no space.

Emotional hyper sensitive people can acces information from it that is not readily appearant to the 5 physical senses.

Have you ever seen a baby scream bloody murder when placed in the arms of someone who is being appearantly nice and gentle with it and calm down immediately when removed?

I don't see the point in discussing energy body physics with someone who doesn't yet recognize the existance of the human bodies energy field/morph field/ quantum field. If you start realizing it and want someone to bounce off of with it then, great, I'm here to share.

If you want to tell me something I am have been aware of and working with for years doesn't exist, you are wasting your time Phluck. perhaps your intention is to discourage a newbie to making such discoveries. If they are that weak then its best they get discouraged before playing with fire.

I push myself to the brinks of absolute maddness and can land on two feet sound and sober as a judge.

Maybe a small part of you is genuinely curious as you hear more people then myself talk about this stuff. maybe its that your questions asked with skepticism come across insincere to me because I am not use to that with co-colaborators. We're far past doubts. I wirte the stuff I do for others working with energy body and their are many of them here.

I don't come here to teach as I am still figuring things out myself and making adjustments along the way. I come here to share and compare notes.

If I start talking about shifting assemblage points to accomplish different perceptions of reality, there are people who need nothing more then the directions. They already know where this is and how to move it.

For a while, I got tired of counter production here and just spent time in IM with gomp talking about this stuff. Then I come to see how many people here are working on the same stuff too and feel if I am going to bother, I might as well write where more can maybe get something new they can work with besides gomp. I was robbing him of a lot of his posting time too. A lot of people would prefer he share is trippy stuff on the board as well.

Phluck, what do you want from me, what do you want from any of us who experience life with a sixth sense along with the other 5? You've talked before about using your intuition. Turn it on when you read my longer stuff otherwise you are wasting your time reading it too because it will read like gibberish. Other people have the keys to unlock it. You are not the only reader here.

If I geared all of my posts to appease just you, I would be having every day discussions in plain english. I can do that with my friends off of this forum. I come here for the not so common stuff that makes you have to think and spawns new insights for me to play with.

Talk to me from the heart. Why are you replying to me? What are you looking for from me? Do you want me to change to think like you do? PM me if you want to. I know people hate reading through this shit. This skeptic crap gets tiring here for many.


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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: trendal]
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I guess my point is that science is nothing more than a part of a picture that is bigger than it can frame.

All systems are like this, at least in this Universe. See "Godel's Incompleteness Theory" at Wikipedia for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorem



this implies that science is a symbolic system. is it?


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Re: Science the ultimate tool? [Re: Phluck]
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Empiricalism seems to be the best way to gain accurate and coherent information.
Spirituality appears to be baseless speculation or personal experiences which cannot be shared by everyone. 'Pure' rationalism is just as baseless. (Ex: Vitalism)

I tend to stick with science because I think it gives me the best information about my enviroment.

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