mgunetiquette said:

1) Well in essence we are god's plaything. We are a plaything with free will however. Besides you are looking at God too much in terms of the Judeo Christian preconception of "him". God is not a he nor a large invisble bearded man in the sky with giant hands that mold and strikes lightning at sinners. I never believed in that shit. But I found a deeper sense in what God really is. Call the force what you will. Goodwill. Allah. Hannim. Zeus. Vishnu. Ishta devta. AWONAWILONA. Just to name a few... I just did not call God the "force" since I'm not a big Star Wars fan.

2) Besides what I also realized is that it's an illusion that anything is separate. We are all in fact existence toying with itself. Call it the  existential masturbation theory.

3) I also do know apes have similar social structures as humans. So what? What makes them a human being, and why should I treat my own moral inclinations differently if my evolutionary cousins do similar things as well. If animals have compassion that's great. I have compassion to animals too. But they are delicious. My question is without the guidance of God, why the hell did we evolve at this point like this. Ahhhhhhh looky here, with the gift of free will we have created vast amount of changes. We have created art. Music. We think. We question God's existence. I wonder if animals really think about this shit. So in my view. We are above them in that respect.

4) Yeah well you know add in whatever to the debate. I seriously do not know what the real argument is or who is winning it. I'm real confused, but it has made me think. And it all fits to the ultimate scheme of existence and we are all with everything in between, existence playing with itself.

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1) My version of god is probability so.... 

If you aren't attributing your god to that form of a nature, you're going to need to be more specific... as their are many gods at their. Without your definition, we're merely playing with abstractions and generalizations, we might as well call god a toaster if you don't choose to attribute anything to it.

2) Call it the existential masturbation theory.
Watch I heart Hukabees... plays around with that notion a bit.

It's as much a separate entity, as it is a whole one. Perception oriented, nothing is absolute, with the exception of the concept itself.

3) Their primitive culture really isn't too dissimilar from human culture... they have all the functions that we do, although we can't verify the existence of their god, or even if they have the ability to comprehend the notion of such. Regardless of god's existence or not, it seems that it isn't necessary to achieve symbiotic relationships in society. I don't actually believe in god, If I did it would be probability, or some fundamental law in respects to the natural order of things... beyond that, are you to say that I lack moral fortitude as a result of that? I assure you that I'm in no way conforming to any form of religious belief, nor am I inspired by anyones god for my morals, nor my views on what is "good" and what is "bad". We need to stop relying on god as a crutch and own up to shit. God in whatever form didn't inspire these wars unless you attribute god to a limitation factor in respects to resources... man's need for dominance and control over environment and the need to perpetuate his group/tribe is what is the cause.

4) Nobody ever wins in the S&P forums.... Lets both call it a loss and continue. As long as your confused, and what we're discussing has made you think; then I'm satisfied... although I'm not sure which I'm more content with .

mgunetiquette said:

Oh yeah about the masochist thing. If someone wants pain to be inflicted on them. That is not evil. They choose to have pain. There is no moral questioning over that. That's why I think the show Jackass was really funny. If you were using that as an argument about what is common grounds for what is morally wrong, that was kinda dumb.

Hey my point is. If whatever you do does not harm anybody else but yourself, it is none of my fucking business. That also goes for people who want people to harm them as some weird fetish, go for it too. I don't really care, do what you want. If I try to stop you from doing your own business that's inherently evil. That's me being a cop. And unfortunately, that's some of the evils we have to live with sharing a planet full of humans of free will.

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mgunetiquette said:

Like I don't know, throwing a rock at somebody's face. That's bad.

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