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Re: Something, I dont think I will ever understand....

[Re: SneezingPenis]
#4051367 - 04/13/05 06:33 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

"swallowing, thinking you can not swallow, will never happen.."
-Unknowing :P

( to much whiskey! )

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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Something, I dont think I will ever understand....

[Re: Ravus]
#4052089 - 04/13/05 10:00 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

There may not be an "objective morality" because one cannot express 'objective reality.' In fact, without our subjective pole of experience, there IS no 'objective reality.' That is a supposition 'sub specie aeternitatus' [under the aspect of eternity] - a 'God's Eye' point-of-view. There IS however a universal morality - since you mention Buddha and Christ - which consists in the singular motive of Compassion. Compassion, in a secular context, is often equated with 'altruism' - both of which (whether identical or not) require personal detachment from one's own needs and desires to serve another without motive of reward. This selflessness is NOT natural to a child, who has yet to form a resilient ego structure (which is obviously not an independent 'thing,' but 'psychic structure') which can then be transcended.

Wisdom is not evidenced by children. Wisdom is accrued by discerning universal principles or laws of nature from experience, from the stream of consciousness. Therefore Wisdom comes from age because duration allows for much more experience to be processed. I was a very knowledgeable child about certain things. I had a working knowledge of chemistry and laboratory experience by age 10, but I did not have Wisdom. I didn't even really know what philosophy was until I left high school, which then developed into a love-of-Wisdom, which is what the word philosophy means. You are attempting to attribute aspects of human development to infantile humans which simply do not appear, if at all, until considerably later in life.

You have no experience with training kids, or you are not far removed from adolescence yourself to be making these kinds of assertions. One cannot wait til a kid is 14 years old like some 18th century Rousseauian "Tabula Rasa" [Blank Slate] before one instils moral training. They are going to be passive recipients of the culture, the media, their peers, etc. and will turn out conduct disordered - the juvenile prerequisite for sociopath in adulthood. I've been working with f**ked up 14 year olds for 20 years, whose parents come to the schools and say 'fix my kid!' Sure...you raised a monster for 14 years and you think counseling is going to reverse the sick personality that you've created? Another walking social problem in the USA.

"Brainwashing" is a perjorative term. Education and moral education is realistic and belongs in the home, delivered, ideally, by adults who are suited to be parents in the first place.

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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself