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Just think about your children taking drugs...
    #2877208 - 07/11/04 02:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That can be a nightmare. Further comments are appreciated.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2877218 - 07/11/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

a lot of things can be a nightmare...

Think about your children having sex...

Think about your children driving...

I guess that if you feel uncomfortable about your kids doing something, it means that you shouldn't be doing it either. I personally would be okay with my children responsibly using the drugs that I have.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2877221 - 07/11/04 02:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

And it can also be one of the most sacred and defining moments in their life. It's all in how you prepare them for it. Proper education on "drugs", giving them as much information as possible to prepare them for making a proper decision when the time comes.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2877231 - 07/11/04 03:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"I guess that if you feel uncomfortable about your kids doing something, it means that you shouldn't be doing it either"

Rock and roll SpecialEd. That is how I approach all child rearing issues. I agree and follow this daily in my actions and beliefs.


Edited by Huehuecoyotl (07/11/04 04:01 AM)


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2877282 - 07/11/04 03:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
a child rearing issues.




It would make me uncomfortable if my children did not use proper english...joking joking...

I think that is a major cause of cognitive dissonance and strife in someone's life when their values and actions are clashing. Freud speculated that a part of our personalities are our superego, which is the part of us that wants to be good, and our id, which is the impulsive child in all of us. I think people should listen more to their superego, instead of doing things that they know are wrong.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2877290 - 07/11/04 04:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

would i be flamming if u just said fuck... you.. ?


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2877292 - 07/11/04 04:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well that is just horrorshow Ed. I totally agree. Your insight should be a model.... I hear of way too many double standards for children and adults. The grammar has been corrected. Bleak said fuck you; there is an important issue here .....Bleak?


Edited by Huehuecoyotl (07/11/04 04:03 AM)


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2877315 - 07/11/04 04:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

important issue?
like what?


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2877319 - 07/11/04 04:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

could you explain yourself, bleak?


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2877326 - 07/11/04 04:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

he already did


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2877379 - 07/11/04 05:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The real horror is sending your kids to foreign nations to die to make some corporation rich while believing you are doing it for "freedom".


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Swami]
    #2877389 - 07/11/04 05:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Off subject, but you are welcome...I agree with the statement.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: BleaK]
    #2877678 - 07/11/04 11:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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would i be flamming if u just said fuck... you.. ?





:confused:  now what's this abooooot?


and as for children, I plan on not having them (what a plan eh??!! :lol:)

if I do have kids though as far as the drug issue would go, as soon as I spot some kind of interest i will have to sit down and have a very long dicussion with them.  It would be important for me to be honest and not belittle him/her, this way communication can be established and I would be setting a good example (IMHO anyways) for the child to follow. 

education would be key, and I would ask the very important question  "why are you doing ______, what's your reason?"  then after all that's clear, if they are doing well in school, and it's a drug that I can accept (which there would be few) I would do it with them.  this way it would be under my watchful eye, and they would know what do to in order to be safe. 

hehm, maybe this is why I won't have kids :wink:


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: kaiowas]
    #2878082 - 07/11/04 02:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im not going bring life into this world as it is today.

When i accomplish my purpose and am sitting in what i believe to be the right place, i will have children. I will teach them the wonders of life, i will show them the stars, the sea, the forest, the desert.

This will not be in america, this will be my land, i will teach them how to take care of mother eart, and and she will take care of us. I will teach them how to be true humans. I will teach them about the mushroom, and marijuana, and other psychedelics. But i wont have to wory about alchohol, cocaine, heroin, or any of that other crap, because it will cease to exist in my and their perception of reality.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2879197 - 07/11/04 08:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

A tough call to make...but one I think every parent is faced with at some time or another.

I can't claim to know for sure what I will/would chose, as I don't have any children, but I have thought long and hard about this subject on many occaisions (being something of a drug connoisseur myself :wink: ).

I plan on raising any children I may have on the grounds of personal independance and responsibility for actions...from day one. I want my children to understand that they and they alone are responsible for their decisions...and will always face the consequences of those decisions. I plan on educating them myself as much as possible so that they have the tools to make the right choices as much as possible. Second-guessing yourself is not a fault...it's a duty. I plan on my children understanding that simple lesson as early as possible so that they always think about what they are about to do before they do it.

With this basis being layed, I hope to be able to trust my children to make the right choices in their lives. If they chose to use drugs (as I have) then I can only hope that they will make the RIGHT choices with their drug use. I will approach drug use from a medical standpoint first of all, so they can get a proper idea of where the safety zone is with each class of drugs (and in some cases each individual drug). I also want to have a very open relationship with my children, so they can feel free to come and ask me about drugs (or anything else) without fear that I will lash out in anger (which I will not do to my children). I hope that they will be able to use their head the same way I have: that they research their decisions before making them.

Education, as in all things, is key.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2879264 - 07/11/04 09:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I THINK ITS LOVELY!!!!well not drugs,plants and fungi.They will be free.but fuck it man,the revolution has to take place before my kids are coming.If theres no revolution,no change,nothing like 2012,i guess i will have kids and teach them the ways.Maybe they could start it.But as i see it,the movement is coming and nothings gonna stop it.So the last remark was just like a 2% possibility.But i want my kids to have plants and fungi,and yes to have sex.Drivings kind of awful ,i mean i know everything that its done,but if everyone had the hydrosetup,i wouldn't complain once.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: tnecseda]
    #2879309 - 07/11/04 09:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

to lead off tnecseda

my revolution is not reproducing, if everyone would do that we'd be much better off in 50 years... IMO...

to adress everyone else.

drugs are not a nightmare.
citys are nightmares.
the IRS is anightmare.
the repo guy... is a nightmare.

the lies that the world is built on... those are nightmares.

taking drugs is aknowlaging those nightmares.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: BleaK]
    #2879411 - 07/11/04 10:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

haha,yea i know what you mean.i correct myself,*have a kid*.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: tnecseda]
    #2879481 - 07/11/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

very true guys, when i have kids the thing that will scare me is the possibility that they will grow up to be the kind of people that i can never respect, some kind of corporate greedmeiser or neocon asshole.

Its true though i would be very worried if i found my kids doing heroin, meth, coke etc, as i have seen those drugs ruin lives and people in the blink of an eye.

However, in my experiene psychadelic drugs like shrooms and salvia and stuff will do one of two things to someone.

One, they will have an awesome, fun, beneficial experience and will come to love and respect the substance

or two, the drug will scare them shitless and they will swear to never do it again, and either one is good with me.

Of course the main problem is education. Educate your kids properly, be honest and informative, and its likely they will make wise decisions. Worst thing you can do is lie to them to keep them away from drugs, this is bound to backfire.


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Re: Just think about your children taking drugs... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2879755 - 07/11/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"when i have kids the thing that will scare me is the possibility that they will grow up to be the kind of people that i can never respect, some kind of corporate greedmeiser or neocon asshole. "

You ensure this does not happen by instilling them with the proper values. It has worked for me. I got one getting ready to leave high school in about a year and she seems quite squared away and focused. As for entheogens, when they are 18 I will present them with the opportunity to have this experience. I also have made them aware of the dangers of barbituates, cocaine, PCP, heroin, and the like. My education of them takes the stance that all drugs are tools with proper uses and misuses. I do emphasize that some are more dangerous than others.


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