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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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Spliff I totally see where you are coming from, and have questioned that many times myself.

I think it's kinda silly to think in dogmatic(is this the right meaning of the word?) and religious views like that, like "natural drugs are grown for us to consume" or "humans are supposed to be sober". Who the fuck would decide this? A majority vote? Jesus? These are personal moral questions, not follow the leader.

I don't see things in terms of 'a normal person living how a human is meant to live' and 'a person on drugs'. To me things don't work like that. There a tons of a choices you make as an individual that will lead to how successful and happy you are, there is no formula.

What I say though, is why? What is the point? I argue, that these new angles on life, aren't actually angles, yet clouded idea's from a foreign substance in your brain, changing it's chemical and spiritual workings permanently. Is this what you really want?

Then I have to ask you where all the angles came from before you started doing drugs. What makes THOSE ones so pure and true?
What about social narcotics? Peer pressure, influences from the media, influences from people you grow up around. Influence of FEAR.

Yes we trippers are just reacting off what a substance did to our brains. Does that make us less human somehow, for seeing and caring about things most people don't? For seeming weird and different? Does it really matter how something came to be?

You're only typing right now because someone expanded your brain and taught you the english language.
Were humans MEANT to communicate and share ideas like this, or were they MEANT to stay in the neanderthal period? Who is gonna stop evolution, a group of politicians?

These problems are not going away. We can either face them, or tell ourselves that it is somehow unnatural to care about them and go about our daily routine.

We're stuck with the personal task of sifting through miles of bullshit that's up to our waist. It's fucked up and it makes life really fuckin confusing, but some of us will NOT sell ourselves short with simple answers that SEEM to make sense if you word them the right way.

BTW, I'm just talking about hallucinogenic drugs here.

P.S.
You haven't been consorting with those dastardly mormons have you?


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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There are a few things I'd like you to address, such as my post for instance.

Do you see anything you disagree with? If so, why?

Rather than prattle on about a Devil or whatnot why don't you address the issues I raised. Drugs can be used responsibly. Or don't you believe that?

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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You seem to be missing a few major points. After reading your first post I thought there was a glimmer of hope you weren't completely shut off to the truth of the matter. After reading your past post that glimmer doesn't seem to be there.

The drug trade (which you say we support with every purchase) exists as it is not because Jimmy buys a dime bag every friday night, it exists as it is because of the futile drug war. But don't take my word for it. Go talk to an economics professor, who will say the same thing.

Secondly, you seem to think any reaction caused in your brain by a chemical is somehow invalid on the basis it was caused by a chemical. Here's one for you. Everything that goes on in your brain is caused by chemicals. The food you eat profoundly effects you. Everything you put it your body does. Food, drug, and medicine are different points on the same spectrum. Also, your brain produces DMT. So is only DMT okay to use because it is naturally in your body?

I can see how someone who abused drugs and screwed their life up and then managed to quit would want to condemn all drug use and everything about it. It's called taking the easy way out. Things aren't nearly as simple and cut and dried as you try to make them out to be.

Again, I reiterate, I'm not even a drug user at all at the moment. This is coming from someone who's been sober for a while. I just don't feel a need to attack all drug use to really feel like I beat it. That would be sheer ignorance. Drug abuse is a horrible thing. What's even more horrible is that those in power have people like you brainwashed to a point where you literally think all use is abuse. Stop trying to push what is a gray area into the black or white.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: ]
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^^^^ Yea, what he said.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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first of all, i do drugs to experience different perceptions of life. i enjoy being sober, just as much as i enjoy tripping. i look for different views and perceptions of life. some people say you can get those sober. well, i say i dont give a fuck. mushrooms grow. they arent made. they provide me with ideas and whatnot. when i cant do shrooms anymore, i'll be fine, cuz i still love sobriety. i just want to enjoy both, while i can

second, my money doesnt go to killing other people. my money goes to helping my friend who grows mushroom pay for his food.

third, i have not withdrawn from society at all as a result of drug use. as a matter of fact, i used to always be isolated, but after doing drugs, i found i could integrate more

this is not an attack :-)


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Children, What's the sound,
Everybody look what's going down"

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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In reply to:
No matter how you argue it, each drug purchase you make, supports the drug trade. Forget bush, chretien, mexico, bolivia, columbia, aghanistan, punjabi-indo-china whatever, it is clearly a chain, and be it directly or indirectly, you support the drug trade.





Do you think these drugs should be illegal?? your still haven't answered me!


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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Why ISN'T it ok to use drugs??. You say if its really bad then people shouldn't because its harmfull, but what if you found out that these chemicals aren't harmfull. Then what, would you use or not?? If nothing bad can happen then whats the problem.

Do you support the drug war ??? Or do you believe that cannabis is evil weed with its roots in hell?


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: johnnyfive]
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In reply to:
The occasional joint can't hurt, the occasional shroom or lsd trip can't hurt, it won't be so bad if I inhale another balloon of nitrous, snort another line, smoke a little crack, it won't be so bad that I have the urge to shoot- it's not all that bad if I feel good from it. I choose do this, it's here, so why not?"



This statment pisses me off, only idoits compare crack to weed!!!!!!!!

Im guessing your a drunk?


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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What I say though, is why? What is the point? I argue, that these new angles on life, aren't actually angles, yet clouded idea's from a foreign substance in your brain, changing it's chemical and spiritual workings permanently. Is this what you really want?


From what I uderstand the reason anybody gets high off drugs is because there are receptors in the brain that accept these chemicals. This means that these substances occur naturally in your brain and are there now. Somebody take this person away he has illegal chemicals in his brain. But I guess all this is just science, the Devil's work huh?

I am going to go release some chemicals in my brain and alter my state of consciousness by having sex :laugh:.

Oh the THC substance in your brain is called anandamide, from a Sanskrit word meaning bliss. I guess God is down with the herb since he put it in our heads.
 

Edited by phreakyzen (12/21/02 05:57 AM)

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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Did you know that ordinary corn contains trace amounts of mescaline? Not enough to ever be noticable or to do an extraction, but some. Eat a tortilla, go to prison - that's the law.

Did you know that ordinary orange juice is about 0.05% alcohol?

Our bodies our inundated by drugs, whether or not they are classified or scheduled. There is no escaping this as we are chemical beings.


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (12/21/02 06:44 AM)

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: Swami]
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Eat a tortilla, go to prison - that's the law.

Damn tortillas; they always get ya! 
The ones with the Virgin Mary in them are the worst!



:shocked:

:wink:

-RebelSteve 


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Namaste.

Edited by RebelSteve33 (12/21/02 07:09 AM)

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: RebelSteve33]
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*Falls to knees in humble adoration*

"Hail Mary, full of grace..."


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I notice by your picture, next to your name the bird wacking it. Thats using drugs!

DON'T DO WACK!  :grin:

DRUG NAME: Beating the meat, wacking the tator,  jumping the jimmy, or masterbation

COMMEN SIDE EFFECTS: increased sweating/tiredness, feelings of rushing euphoria, days after the USER can be addictied and feels the need to repeat :grin: :grin:

I repeat kids DON'T do WACK


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: johnnyfive]
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Should you "polish your rocket" if it is tarnished?

Should you "spank your monkey" if it has misbehaved?

These questions DEMAND answers!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I use drugs because they're fun, to get straight to the point. Sure, there are spiritual aspects of many drugs. I found shrooms improved my life by helping me to see the positive side of it, plus they showed me that there are certain drugs that certain people shouldn't do. For me, I shouldn't do weed.

Drug use is fine if you know what you're getting into and set limits. Some people won't try any "unnatural" drugs, some won't do stimulants, some won't do opiates. I have limited myself to drugs that I can't do every day, except for opiates. In the case of opiates, I have limited myself to one or two uses a month.

I also have resolved not to use any "imported" drugs as you say. I will not use cocaine, and I will not use black tar opium, unless I know the source personally.

Finally, I feel that I am in control of my own body. Using drugs in that sense is kind of a power trip. I'll be damned if anyone is going to tell me how to treat my body. It is important to note, however, that this is only a small aspect of my drug use, one that I didn't really come to terms with until I was a fairly experienced user. In this sense, drug use is a liberating experience, and can help people with issues of self-confidence.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I feel your questions have been answered and then some by the others post. I have a few questions for you.

Do you use illegal drugs?

If you don't agree with the use of illicit substaces, then why the hell are you here?

If it's to enlighten us "druggie heathens" you may have noticed your not changing anyone's opinion on the matter, or saving anyones life.

These posts make you sound like an idiot. Just another casuality of our "brilliant leaders" propaganda campaign.

Edited to comply to the "Be Nice" policy.


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Without everything wouldn't nothing be everything and without nothing wouldn't everything be nothing.I am the beginning and the end,the source and the void, the light and the darkness,i am but a small drop of the ocean yet i am an ocean unto myself

Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (12/22/02 03:27 PM)

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: Strumpling]
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the fact is: your first post was raising valid if slightly misinformed/ flawed points, which i think every drug user should address
however, all those points were soundly and intelligently counterd by a great number of ppl raising very convincing, well informed arguments that addressed every question and point you raised and then some, often directly using thr 'in reply to' function. the vast amount of scientific information, theological arguments and personal philosophy was more than enought to convince just about anyone reading thiss post that indeed, there are people who know more about this subject than you and indeed, there are a great many of them. Sadly , instead of absorbing the answerss given to the questions you asked, or even making an intelligent adress to the counterpoints or new points presented, you started pratteling a bunch of bullshit even more blatantly ridiculous than your first post. I think its sad that people can reach such states of mind, but it is a fact of life. i guess what we should all take into account is that if the ideas already presented havent been enough to shake your faulty paradigm , probably nothing will. On the plus side this has been the best written, most thoughtfull , most interesting and above all most important thread ive ever read on the shroomery. this thread should be published and posted on telephone poles. What we have hear is a collection of the best ideas and arguments on the drug war, the ethics of drug use, and the oppinions of the public people. If ever someone asks me 'why is it alrite for you to use drugs' i cant point them to this thread, and i firmly believe that with the exceptions of certain particularly brainwashed or stupid indviduals, no more explanation will be needed. anyone capaple of reading this many posts should be capable or reaching the logical conclusion to the info given here. Thanks to everybody for coming forward and sharing your thoughts, youve made all my points more elegantly than i ever could. peace all  :grin: 

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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Click here

I'd also like to point everyone's attention to this thread. You hypocrite!

Everyone's a little bit hypocritical once in a while but, damn.......

Edit to narrow the thread.


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Without everything wouldn't nothing be everything and without nothing wouldn't everything be nothing.I am the beginning and the end,the source and the void, the light and the darkness,i am but a small drop of the ocean yet i am an ocean unto myself

Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (12/22/02 03:22 PM)

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: 3eyedgod]
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Calm down 3eyed. You gotta chill man... smoke a blunt, and just be melllllllow... Contention isn't good on SPS... that's more of an OTD thing :wink:


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