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Why is it all right for you to use drugs?
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Why is it all right to lead a life of drug (ab)use?

"The occasional joint can't hurt, the occasional shroom or lsd trip can't hurt, it won't be so bad if I inhale another balloon of nitrous, snort another line, smoke a little crack, it won't be so bad that I have the urge to shoot- it's not all that bad if I feel good from it. I choose do this, it's here, so why not?"

I'm not going to try to change your minds, and I know you're all (probably) aware of the consequences for drug use, but doesn't anyone here really question why they're using drugs? Really question why they should be smoking another joint, or scouring the streets for a baggy of coke? Do some of you just stop and ask yourselves maybe I really shouldn't be putting my mind and body through this? If your views on the world have changed, both negatively and/or positively because of hallucinogens, did you really wake up to 'the truth' or even experience something beyond reality, or is it simply a drug fucking with you? Has any of this ever been taken into consideration?

There was a question asked awhile ago about popularity and conformity on these boards. The results more often than not pointed to drug use leading to a withdrawl from society, friends, and family. I'm not saying this is always the case, I'm not even going to say it is the majority of the drug using populus, I am going to say though that maybe, given logic, there is indeed a corrolation. Has this ever been taken into consideration?

If you get permission to go look over a farmers cow shit because you're a 'mycologist', do you really think it's that funny you get strange looks? Putting yourself in a situation, where you're actually searching for fungus growing on animal feces, should you really be laughing? Take this into consideration?

Every street purchase you make, from a 'large importer', costs human life, as well costs you, and the peoples of your society a substantial amount of money (prisons, efforts against importers). Too large of a picture, or greatly affecting not only you, but intern, in even minute amounts, your 8 year old kid sister that you just told had found flour, on your mirror and razor? Consider it?



Without a doubt in my mind.

(This is my opinion. This is what I have resolved from my drug use. I'm open to discussion and opinion, and welcome it. I don't doubt this has been asked many times by people such as myself, or even hopefully you. This post was to re-iterate the other side of the spectrum. Consider it.)



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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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hey,good post

i can't remember where i read this, and i wish i could.
it is in human nature to want to "let go", "get fucked" ect... (perhaps in flesh of the gods?)

just as it's human nature to want to have sex.

i agree with you that SOME drugs are harmfull. i've had friends becoming so stupid and so sketchy, that i can't even have a normal conversation with them.
but thats only SOME drugs. you should really do some research.

take mushrooms. no one has ever overdosed on mush. mushrooms are the safest drugs out there. above alcholl (sp?) and cigrattes.

and what about people with cancer, or aids. they have tried so many different kinds of drugs to try and stop the pain, and for some people, the ones that are legal don't help (i speek from experence, my cousion has aids)
but one thing they have found that can help is weed. it alowes them to be relaxed, it helpes them with what they are going through. and, is safer than any medacation a doctor would perscribe you. so why take away something that would help them?
i'm not sure if anyone saw this. but it was on global i think, and i'm not sure what desiease this person had, but he was shaking so bad, he couldn't talk, he had no controal over his body. then his helper, lit up a joint, and held it to up to him so he could smoke it, and with in about 10min. the shaking became slower and slower, and finaly stoped. he could tlak, write normanly, he could have full function of his body.
it allowed him to take control.


i have 2 younger sisters, and there are certian things i don't want them to get into, like coke (sorry for all the people who do like it, it's just not for me)

but i think that if i can tlak openley about it with them, that when they start to experement, they will come to me. not some asshole they don't even know, who could give them something more harmfull than they think.
i find nothing wrong with doing anything natural. these plants were put here so we could use them. from pot, to yopo, i would do it all.

un-natural things i do believe people should take more caution when useing them, but that only means, know what your doing. i do e, but i know it can be bad for you, so i make sure i only use it once a month, it's a great feeling, but not to be taken advantage of.
i think if your going to use any kind of drug, even with something as simple as pot.
you should know what your dealing with. do your research.

i've been a mushroom tripper for almost 3 years now. i have a happy life, i'm happy with who i am, and i owe a lot of it to the mushrooms, they make you realize things that you already new, but didn't see. i've made some of my most life changing dicissions on shrooms, and so far, waht they have told me to do, has all worked out.
i concider myself lucky to understand a part of life that many never will.



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What fun is it in Nirvana while other beings are suffering?

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I do little or no harm to this shell I'm in. Drugs (good ones mind you) help me find answers that I so desperately need. They also help me see things from another angle, I then use these views to help me when sober. Drugs (that I take) inspire me and allow me to grow instead of ebb, like most other people in this world.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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In reply to:
"The occasional joint can't hurt, the occasional shroom or lsd trip can't hurt, it won't be so bad if I inhale another balloon of nitrous, snort another line, smoke a little crack, it won't be so bad that I have the urge to shoot- it's not all that bad if I feel good from it. I choose do this, it's here, so why not?"


Do you ever tell yourself it won't hurt to drink another cup of coffee? Do you ever say maybe it is not that bad to consume all of these chemicals they put in my food? Do you think maybe it is not that bad to be in a rat race spending all of your money on selfish electronic devices that waste away your time? Do you ever think that it is not that bad to watch TV all the time and take in all the drug propaganda your country is feeding you?

Until you can free yourself of all bad vices you cannot judge others. That is why I am not a part of a society of politicians telling me I'm bad while they take bribe money, promote racism, drink alcohol, abuse women and basically act like complete assholes. To say that one vice is any better or worse than another is complete nonsense. Maybe some people can handle their crack addiction while other can't handle a beer. Maybe if the politicians really cared about people and not votes and money than maybe I would listen but until then I would tell you not to buy the bullshit. If you can not handle drungs then do not do them and I will not judge you either way, I only ask you do the same for me.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth- I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. Sorry. Now, where's my commercial? Why don't I get a commercial? Why is it always that other guy that gets the commercial? " I knew we were in trouble with that damn egg commercial, that guy. I knew that was the government's take on drugs, we're fucked, you know. "Here's your brain." I've seen a lot of weird shit on drugs, I have never ever ever ever ever looked at an egg and thought it was a fucking brain, not once, all right? I have seen UFO's split the sky like a sheet, but I have never ever ever looked at an egg and thought it was a fucking brain, not once. I have had seven balls of light come off of a UFO, lead me onto their ship, explain to me telepathically that we are all one and there is no such thing as death, but I have never ever ever ever ever looked at an egg, and thought it was a fucking brain.

-Bill Hicks


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
    #1158423 -

In reply to:
I'm not going to try to change your minds, and I know you're all (probably) aware of the consequences for drug use, but doesn't anyone here really question why they're using drugs?




A: Because thats what humans/gods do, THEY DOO DRUGS. Weither you do tv, sex, sugar, alcohol, or illegal drugs. Its all in your brain, just a brain that realeases chemicals for pleasure. Your not free UNLESS your allowed to use drugs! Period! Humans do two things in life that is surive, and seek pleasure in what ever form it comes in.



In reply to:
If your views on the world have changed, both negatively and/or positively because of hallucinogens, did you really wake up to 'the truth' or even experience something beyond reality, or is it simply a drug fucking with you? Has any of this ever been taken into consideration?




A: Well lets see, i take it in to consideration all of the time, if hallucinagen's help on find peace, in a tough world why not? If it keeps you sane WHY NOT! REMEMBER ITS all in your mind, and that includes reality!!!!!!



Basically if you don't like drugs your doing to wrong one's (i always loved that saying)!!!!!!! Basically dude "THE TRUTH IS "

A. If you really knew about the subject of drugs, rather than the propaganda on tv tell's you. You would A be pissed our goverment is lieing soooo bad. And B you'd be doing them to escape spirtiual darkness!

B. The most confusing part about the subject of drugs is that, there are good drugs and bad one's.(Most people have a difficult time telling the difference) Ethongens are good drugs this includes marijuana, lsd, mescaline, psilocybin.. and various other hallucinagens.

In reply to:
Every street purchase you make, from a 'large importer', costs human life, as well costs you, and the peoples of your society a substantial amount of money (prisons, efforts against importers). Too large of a picture, or greatly affecting not only you, but intern, in even minute amounts, your 8 year old kid sister that you just told had found flour, on your mirror and razor? Consider it?




I have a question for you! Do you think illegal drugs should be illegal, you meantioned every bag you buy supports death or terrorism or some shit. Dude your going to have to understand its called PROPAGANDA. Propaganda is a lie thats incuraged to be told agian and agian. Do you actually believe that drugs support terrorism, and if this is true then.

A. Bush has used cocaine before, does this mean he supports terror?
B. If drugs do support terror, why is it illegal? Legalize it and win on two fronts!!
C. If you believe that SHIT ON TV, your a fucking moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Final thoughts, please get informed about what happening in your country!


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And the gameshow host rings the buzzer (brrnnntt) oh and now you get a face full of face!

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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It's a fine line to walk. I haven't drank or done any drugs in about 2 months. I led a life of abuse for a few years up until several months ago. You have your points. But from my current, sober standpoint, certain things are still very apparent to me. Some of the very worst and most destructive drugs are legal ones. Not all drug use is bad, it is not that cut and dry.

If you actually believe that all drug use is bad all the time, you're just as deluded as the crack fiends.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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We live in a world filled with drugs. They can be used in smart ways or dangerous ways. Certain authorities, i.e. politicians, police officers, pastors, parents etc will often lie or be hypocritical about drugs. Many of your friends may use drugs and you may have opportunities to experiment with them yourself if you haven't done so already. Even though certain authorities are dishonest about the dangers of drugs they do not want used it does not mean those drugs are safe. All drugs are dangerous.

If you never use drugs you can be certain you will never have a problem with them. That is the only way you can be certain of that. There is nothing wrong with that decision and if you make that decision you might have more choices open to you than your friends who use drugs. Remember that if someone tries to pressure you into taking drugs. Others may think you aren't cool if you won't use drugs but you really will not be missing anything. Every experience you can have with drugs can be had in others ways. If you decided to experiment with drugs, whether approved or disapproved, make sure:

1. You know exactly what you are taking.

2. Where they come from.

3. How they will affect your body and mind.

4. What precautions you should take to contain their potential for harm.

Forming good relationships with drugs requires awareness and practice.

Don't use drugs unconsciously and don't spend time around people who do.

If you use illegal drugs remember the terrible things that being arrested can do to you and your family. On the other hand don't think the just because a drug is legal it is safe. Some of the most dangerous drugs are legal. You are less likely to have problems if you take mild forms of natural drugs by mouth now and then, and even more so if you take them for positive reasons according to rules you set for yourself. You are more likely to have problems if you take strong drugs often especially you take them because you're unhappy or bored or just because you have them or can get them easily.

Lastly, wanting to feel high does not mean they is something wrong with you. Or that you have an unhealthy desire to escape reality. It is normal to want to vary your consciousness. Drugs are just one way of doing it, though, and if you come to rely on them before you are mature you may not be able to appreciate a whole range of non-drug experiences that are more subtle but more rewarding over time. There is no question that drugs can make you high. But they are difficult to master and may fail you if you take them all the time.


Cheers,

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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There is no right or wrong.

If you were to paint anything as wrong, it would be causing pain/suffering to another, and one doing drugs is not going to harm anyone else.

Anyone can live their life how they want, and if the drug experience is what gets you off, than that is what you should do.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I answer this question on the same day that the military released information stating that the "friendly fire" incident that happened in Afghanistan that killed a number of canadian troops, the American pilots had been PRESCRIBED amphetamines by the air force! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I can't understand it when people do drugs that SUCK and most of the drugs you mentioned SUCK.They SUCK because they are just a bunch of nasty chemicals that are  obviously bad for a person.

I can never understand anyone using a drug that makes a person get hyper, not even coffee.  I would be tweaking if I were using all that crap...stick to what you can find growing eh?

Putting yourself in a situation, where you're actually searching for fungus growing on animal feces, should you really be laughing? Take this into consideration?

I am not sure if I understand you but consider food for just a second. If there was not the eternal cycle of death, decay, rebirth, and growth you would have....well, basically the garbage that is sold in the stores, BUT because these natural proccesses happen you have ORGANIC food or even better, AUTHENTIC food.......so, you gotta have poop man......


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Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: upupup]
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GOTTA have poop!  :blush: 


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: Murex]
    #1158775 -

Got poop?  :smile:


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Namaste.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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I agree there is another side to drug use that can be very harmful to you and to others. But you mentioned none of those. You merely spouted of rhetoric that society does everyday and it means jack shit.

"There was a question asked awhile ago about popularity and conformity on these boards. The results more often than not pointed to drug use leading to a withdrawl from society, friends, and family. I'm not saying this is always the case, I'm not even going to say it is the majority of the drug using populus, I am going to say though that maybe, given logic, there is indeed a corrolation. Has this ever been taken into consideration?"

---I've withdrawn from the unimportant and fake people in my life, thanks to drugs! They showed me that most people base their opinions on what you look like and what car you drive. Thank you mushrooms for showing me that its the person that matters, this has lead me to cherish relationships that mean something. I've always been close to my family and drugs haven't hurt, but helped! I don't talk to my parents about my drug use, but the wisdom i've learned carries over when i converse with them, and they respect me and consider me a very wise and good hearted person.

"If you get permission to go look over a farmers cow shit because you're a 'mycologist', do you really think it's that funny you get strange looks? Putting yourself in a situation, where you're actually searching for fungus growing on animal feces, should you really be laughing? Take this into consideration?"

---Afraid of looking stupid in front of a farmer? I pity the person who lives such a sad existence.

"Every street purchase you make, from a 'large importer', costs human life, as well costs you, and the peoples of your society a substantial amount of money (prisons, efforts against importers). Too large of a picture, or greatly affecting not only you, but intern, in even minute amounts, your 8 year old kid sister that you just told had found flour, on your mirror and razor? Consider it?"

---No, our government does that to the drugs users, not me. Make drugs legal and affordable so people are starving in the streets because they are using their money for a fix. I could talk for hours about the silly drug war, but lets just say NOTHING should hinder freedom, and thats exactly what the government does by making drugs illegal.

On a side note, I am taking a break from drug use for a while. Marijuana was once a mind trip everytime I smoked, but lately Its been the thing to keep me content. I realize this and I've decided to stop for a good while and get a clear head.. and remember my dreams =). This is because i'm a responsible drug user, and I believe every person can be responsible if only given the chance too be. Legalize drugs! Legalize life!

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: ]
    #1158894 -

Good post!

Drug use is not bad, in my opinion. Drug abuse is.

Moderation, maturity and responsibility are the keys.


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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If your views on the world have changed, both negatively and/or positively because of hallucinogens, did you really wake up to 'the truth' or even experience something beyond reality, or is it simply a drug fucking with you? Has any of this ever been taken into consideration?

Your version of 'the truth' sounds like it didn't get past the wacky psychedelic otherworld phase. 
What I mean is, when I started doing acid I felt like I had tapped into this other world that was THE source of life and creation, and the 'modern' reality I was living in was just all nonsense and bullshit.  This was because I didn't have a firm grasp on reality before I started taking acid.  This doesn't mean acid is a bad drug, it means I used it irresponsibly (though still learned a helluva lot).
If you confront yourself, and what is seriously going on with your life, and decide to stop running from things, you can start to move on in a positive direction.

Someone that somehow gets reintigrated back into the life they were escaping from, may feel the need to label their trips as merely mindfucks, to validate their decision and maybe hide the truth that they are just looking for easy answers.  I think these people just want to feel like they are doing the right thing, and will develop a bias to how they look at the world.

Drugs are only dangerous if you take ignorance with them.

Most people have the mental capacity to use drugs responsibly. The sooner we get the whole situation out of the dark and stop labeling these people delusional criminals, the more real education we can spread about drugs.  Thats wishful thinking, huh?

I think years of addiction to television and McDonalds are more dangerous than all the mushrooms and acid in the world.

It's hard to accept a truth that isn't approved by millions of people around you, but its THERE. It is pure.

And marijuana's a gateway drug, right?

I'm sure you are opened minded Spliff, please don't stop questioning yourself.

Looner covered the rest of the points pretty damn well  :wink:

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: Grav]
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Oh yea, I smoke weed 2 or 3 times a week and I haven't done any other drugs in over half a year. But I hope to trip again soon.

I wont touch alcohol. I personally think it's one of the nastiest stupidest drugs ever.
I smoke cigarettes occasionally to relax and for the nicotine buzz.

Only other drugs I'll do are hallucinogens, and I really pace myself now.

I have done alot of other drugs, they didn't do much for me.

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: Grav]
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You know what Grav? You're so damn cool and you have such a great attitude you get a 5 mushroom rating from me! You are a GREAT contributor to this forum. I always enjoy reading your posts!

Cheers,

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: Grav]
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There are a few things I'd like to address, in no particular order.

"Most people have the mental capacity to use drugs responsibly"

Is drug use actually responsible though? Society would say no. Why would they say no- next to the propoganda and money? Probably beecause, if you were to also argue that marijuana, and other mushrooms, cacti or whatever were put here on this planet for us to use and become open to ourselves and other perspectives, then can't you retort by saying we were also put here on this planet in the state we are in, for the purpose of remaining unchanged?

Maybe we HAVE been put here to change. To gain experiences, to get new angles on life. What I wonder though, do these drugs really do this? Are you actually becoming open? All these thoughts you have on drugs, that may seem real, are induced from a substance. Are you seeing a newer, better, more truthful angle? Or a clouded, ill-perceived angle? More often than not, alcohol changes your judgement drastically. What you may think is a good idea, or a truth, is usually not. "Sure, I can drive home!". Probably not. The only difference is, these other drugs can change your perceptions permanently. You are forever opening the gates of your mind to these new perceptions.

What I say though, is why? What is the point? I argue, that these new angles on life, aren't actually angles, yet clouded idea's from a foreign substance in your brain, changing it's chemical and spiritual workings permanently. Is this what you really want?

On a religious, philosophical point of view, one could also argue that maybe it wasn't God who has placed such substances on the earth for the better understanding of the human race. There is world wide corruption from drug use and abuse. What you find wrong in society, may be because of your drug experience. What religious, spiritual figure would want you open to the negative in the world, and to support the drug trade? Evil, temptation, sin, the Devil.

Is drug use really all that much of a learning experience? Many harmful drugs destroy your body and how it functions- opiates, cocaine, and yes, even prescription drugs. What is regarded as safe, may not be all that harmful to your body, but, most certainly, I believe without a doubt, poisons your mind.

No matter how you argue it, each drug purchase you make, supports the drug trade. Forget bush, chretien, mexico, bolivia, columbia, aghanistan, punjabi-indo-china whatever, it is clearly a chain, and be it directly or indirectly, you support the drug trade.

I used the farmer example to show the possible misconceptions one can have from using drugs. Simply, what you think you have become open to, or better understand, is because of chemical interferences in your brain, so how are you sure or positive if it's the truth?

Does it feel right, does it seem logical? How can you be sure, you just saw a UFO.


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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: ]
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Hah sweet, thanks Mush, that comment from you went straight to my head, you got me on an ego trip now! argh!  :wink:

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Re: Why is it all right for you to use drugs? [Re: spliffguru]
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why do you do anything?


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