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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Strumpling]
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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Claiming that technology, and the changes that humans are able to make to the planet are "unnatural" implies that humans are somehow superior to nature.

Human art and technology is no less natural and beautiful than anything else on the planet.


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Phluck]
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Rhizoid]
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You're saying you had a spontaneous religious experience?
Do you have any theory about why your friend didn't want to talk about this?

yes. at that time i didnt really know what happened and was entirely creeped out. she couldve been a bit tired becuz we were about to go to sleep. really i think it couldve been anything. her family wasnt strictly religious so she miteve not been sure of what to say.

[edit] hmm not religious, more like 'tapped into the collective unconscious' experience? also i wasnt asking her about catholicism, as i wouldnt even know where to start then.


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look buddy,,

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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We are not the most natural and earth-oriented people you will find in the world. It feels as though we as a nation are very much out of touch with conducting ourselves in a natural way, a way which relates to the Earth and to the Earth's Maker.

and we are certainly not the least. think japs.

People really don't realize how different it's gotta be to live without all of these appliances. They basically run the system of America.

so what is your solution? should we smash our computers now or later, when its overly unnatural?


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: TrippeeChik]
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It feels as though we as a nation are very much out of touch with conducting ourselves in a natural way

Everything is natural. Everything we make, eat, and do stems from Nature. ; )


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: chunder]
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Let's see, how do I experience the world?

Well, first and foremost, I realize that we are all just people. Each and everyone of us starts out the same exact way. We all have different "hardware", some people are naturally only given so much operating power. Of course, that isn't the issue, the issue is what is running this machine.

I have found out that not one single person has the same software installed as anyone else (when I say software, I mean all the different programs of thoughts and catalogued experiences that make us who we are and make us act the way we do). I realize that it is basically possible for any person to take on anything. We are born completely free. Whatever thoughts we have shape who we are, so knowing this allows you to be who you want to be..

So, I experience the world from this perspective.... Everyone is just a person who has accumulated operating instructions, going about, purusing whatever meaning he makes for himself.

So, yeah, being The Observer is very revealing.. the only trouble is actually living your life knowing all of this, although it does open up a lot of power..
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment. "

Well, humans are certainly a part of nature, so wouldn't that make our creations a product of nature?

"Being in a state regarded as primitive, uncivilized, or unregenerate."

I assume this is the meaning you were referring to.


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: TrippeeChik]
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"and we are certainly not the least. think japs."

Indeed. Something like an AIBO could never be taken seriously in Western society. The attitude towards technology is very different in Japan, the idea that technology is evil is, in reality, a very western idea.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Phluck]
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"That must have been a severely difficult time in your life to get past. I really don't know what to say after reading that.

Do you have anything to say regarding the ills of American culture?"

Man there are many things to say about this. Being treated the way I was made me live day to day.  I was a little kid so the thought of "this may be my last day" was always in the back of my head. Having that idea in the back of my head made me appreciate things a whole lot more. 

I think American society doesn't focus enough on enjoying the one's you're with and appreciating this thing called life.  I hear so many people here complain and I'm like, hey you have your life, health, and family, what's missing?

In the beginning of school, social pressures are ever present.  Most of the time these are the FIRST problems that american kids (middle class) encounter.  I know for sure that in other countries many of the kids first worries entail eating and shelter! hell the way I see it, I have a computer and if you have one of those, things really shouldn't be that bad.  If your problems are purely social (ie worrying about what clothes to wear, what you look like, etc) it takes away from the general appreciation of just being alive.  From there the ego is so good at hooking you into drama, and people just love this stuff.

then there's just going to school.  hmm, if you're going to school be glad because you're getting educated, and yet people reject it so swiftly when they are young (not to mention the system doesn't try to teach us what we really need to know).

then there's religion and that bring judgement in.  so much on organized religion involves judgement (judgement in this case will be strictly defined on deciding what and who is bad or good), and so we are taught to judge everything in those regards.  we then seperate and segregate eachother into specific groups.  this is then how we define ourselves and personality and even try to fake or act like they are somthing else.

there's a few for ya :smile: 



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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Phluck]
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bah

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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We really are living in an unnatural framework. We are losing our connection with the earth and the beauty of it. We are losing our social connection which may perhaps be far improved if society had less ego issues and more time to spend with one another doing simple activities.

do you have some sort of guilty conscience for living the way you do? stop preaching and bitching if youre not practicing it. jesus muthafucking christ.


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"I think I'm right in saying that flourescent lights are a human attempt to change the natural results of sunlight and starlight/moonlight. I think I'm also right in saying we are dramatically decreasing the amount of time we would otherwise spend around food; it has occurred because we are microwaving many meals, or going thru fast food restaurants. What are the ramifications behind actions like this and others like it?"

It seems altogether likely that there are no negative ramifications. Can you name a few, perhaps?

"(And for the definition question you asked, the reply is 'um...nope.' "

I think this is the kind of thing where it would be good to explain your answer.


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"Living with farmland, slowing things down, making life a more beloved experience."

Is life really a "more beloved experience" without technology? I wouldn't say my own life is very fast paced, but it certainly includes all kinds of technology.

There's an assumption that a lot of people make that life was far better before we became civilized. The thing about this belief, is that it has no basis whatsoever. War, rape, famine, hate, and disease have been present since the dawn of mankind. These things are happening at no greater a rate now than they were thousands of years ago.

People smoke pot and take xanax because they can. If these things were available, (and in some cases they were), people would be using and abusing them in exactly the same way.

Almost everyone finds a scapegoat for all of the ills in the world. Muslims in the middle east blame America, and Americans blame terrorists, some people blame religion, some people blame money, some people blame blacks, or whites, or jews. You've chosen to blame technology.

The thing is, almost none of these scapegoats have been around forever, unlike human suffering.

Actually, one scapegoat has been around as long as humans, and that is human nature. We're programmed like any other animal, to be greedy, territorial, and inconsiderate.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"We would have to do a scientific, controlled study to really say one way or the other, Phluck. We'd have to have to see if an experimental society could produce a better life experience based on not having electricity. In the meantime, all I can give is my two cents."

Actually, people lived for a hell of a long time without electricity, and bad shit still went down.

"Why don't you tell me the positive reactions of electricity without trying to be a corporation selling products."

Well, I can make it light when it's dark. My favourite is the internet, I can almost instantly access any information I need, I can communicate with anyone around the world. If you're a billionaire, or a bum, the information you put on the internet is equally accessible.

Also, I'm not trying to sell lightbulbs or computers.


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http://phluck.is-after.us

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