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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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By the way Swami, I'm curious.. Aside from your conflictions with the lecture from ET, can you point out anything that you can advocate and support? Anything positive and constructive you can think of? Thanks. =)

If you cannot get anything positive out of my 9800 posts and then intimate that I am negative, well...

BTW, were you enlightened by the lecture, do you know for sure that Tolle is an infallible source?


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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: Swami]
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If you cannot get anything positive out of my 9800 posts and then intimate that I am negative, well...

Never said that, nor do I think such. I am referring to this lecture and nothing outside of this thread. Clear enough? So can you now answer the question, please? :wink:

BTW, were you enlightened by the lecture, do you know for sure that Tolle is an infallible source?

I find the lecture itself, to be an enlightening read...
I've actually practiced [and continue to do so] Tolle's 'Perennial Truth' of being fully present in the Here-Now and have experienced nothing short of what Tolle has been teaching and sharing. So it's not like I've just studied his teachings and then went "Well, this must be true, real and practical." It is a simple, yet profound spiritual message that ET's teachings revolve around: The Power of Now.
What is the power of Now?

None other than the power of your presence, your consciousness liberated from thought forms.

So deal with the past on the level of the present. The more attention you give to the past, the more you energize it, and the more likely you are to make a "self" out of it. Don't misunderstand: attention is essential, but not to the past. Give attention to the present; give attention to your behavior, to your reactions, moods, thoughts, emotions, fears, and desires as they occur in the present. There's the past in you. If you can be present enough to watch all those things, not critically or analytically but nonjudgementally, then you are dealing with the past and dissolving it through the power of your presence. You find yourself by coming into the present.
~Eckhart Tolle.

I've seen you advocate Spiritual guru Vernon Howard... and I also find Howard's teachings very congruent with practicality and 'realness' as well. I subscribe to daily email quotes from his books as well. So let me ask you this Swami.. Do you think he is infallible?



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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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So let me ask you this Swami.. Do you think he (Vernon Howard ) is infallible?
Here is my Vernonism for the Day:

"We do not wish other people to interfere with us, so why
permit harmful thoughts to interfere?"

This question requires no leap of faith; no belief in the author. No, I don't think he is infallible, but neither have I heard him claim extraordinary knowledge such as the 1 in 10,000,000 being enlightened. Speaking of which: if the chances of being enlightened are about those of winning the lottery, then a well-worded lecture is extremely unlikely to change that. We are not lacking in spiritual literature.

I find the lecture itself, to be an enlightening read...
Here you are playing word games, substituting a generic meaning of the word for the meaning generally ascribed to popular spiritual mythology. This is not an honest reply IMHO. (I find Scientific American to be an enlightening read.) As usually presented, one is either enlightened or one is not. There are no degrees. Either you see the oneness in all things or you do not.

I have no problem with Being in the Now as a fine tool for mental health, but I fail to see how this let's you discern the spiritual status of others far away and long dead.


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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: Swami]
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"Here you are playing word games"

the only one playing word games here is you man, IMHO. He said he found the book to be an enlightening read.

Definition of enlightening: (dictionary)

-To give spiritual or intellectual insight to
-tending to increase knowledge or dissipate ignorance
-making understandable or clarifying

so, skorpivos statement that he found the book enlightening, was clear, correct and not in any way 'dishonest'


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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: Moonshoe]
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the only one playing word games here is you man, IMHO. He said he found the book to be an enlightening read.

Not at all my Dear Moonshoe.

Enlightening can mean informing or it can mean leading to the state of Cosmic Consciousness.

Changing the nuance of the word mid-stream to make a point is not starightforward.

Do you HONESTLY believe that the 1 in 10,000,000 people being enlightened referenced in the article meant that only 1 in 10,000,000 are knowledgable and well-informed?


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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: Swami]
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Here you are playing word games, substituting a generic meaning of the word for the meaning generally ascribed to popular spiritual mythology. This is not an honest reply IMHO.

I see.
Yet, once again another unjustified negative conclusion-jumping?
Swami, if this is the kind of insulting attitude you project onto everything that I say, as you have repeatedly done so in this thread, then I see no reason to further this discussion that serves no purpose other than to show that you probably need therapeutic counseling.

Aside from that; for clarification: I meant precisely what was written: I found the literature to be an enlightening read.
As for myself personally, I hesitate to say: ?I am an enlightened Being.?, solely because there seems to be a common notion that enlightenment is some superhuman achievement or accomplishment. I certainly do not hold this belief, but rather that enlightenment is the most natural state of being? or realization of Oneness with all that is. So in this notion, yes I can indeed say that I am enlightened. But then, in a sense, I have always been enlightened in and so is everybody else? That which is real, and inherently of one?s innermost essence and nature, cannot be taken away. It is always there. Books and literature comes and goes.
This is the stance where I am coming from. Accept it as it is. CAN you do that?

As for Tolle?s predication of world-enlightenment-level? I can?t speak for him. Who knows what factors have led him to that conclusion. I?m well aware that this claim is certainly not a statement has obvious substantial support behind it? But nor do I really take this statement with any such concrete importance or value anyway. Overall, it's rather irrelevant. It?s simply a personal, observatory remark of the world from one individual?s perspective. It?s not something that would cause me to go on some ego-trip and highlight it to the point of making myself look like a sophomoric skeptic, nor would I let the philosophical concept that ?nobody or nothing is ultimately infallible? stymie the possibility of experiencing an enlightened reality? otherwise that would be skepticism to the point of ignorance.

These are my final words. I would prefer if you simply refrain from participating in my future threads if you are unable to at least balance your criticism with constructive positivity. In other words.. If you ain?t got nuffin nice to say? don?t say it. :smile:


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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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you probably need therapeutic counseling

I can see than you truly detest insults. :rolleyes: This seemingly implies that if I am not in full accord with the ideas presented I must be ill. I do not know why you fear a point-of-view that is not fully supportive of yours in a debating forum.

If we are all one, who is arguing with whom and whom are you disgusted with?


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Re: Tolle Lecture [Re: Swami]
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This seemingly implies that if I am not in full accord with the ideas presented I must be ill.

Incorrect. I have no issue with differences in other people's views as long as there is mutual respect and balance maintained. Referring to me as dishonest, playing dishonest games, along with suggesting that I have deemed you negative with little to no positive posts solely because I was curious if there were any aspects of the spirituality and philosophy that was presented in the lecture which you liked and would advocate;
This was not a very respectful and healthy manner of holding a debate, so hence I drew the line. Simple as that.

And I am not disgusted with you nor do I hold resentment or anger towards you, Swami. Is this hard for you to grasp?


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