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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Icelander said:
I don't think you know what you're talking about. :shrug:

Material life is all an animal has. If it's not enough you're in trouble.


I know the source of happiness & material objects, so i understand how material objects appear to give happiness

:peace:


Chronic777 said:
like it or not it is a Universal Truth

a Guru that teaches you to realize the Self is a true Guru

a 'guru' that teaches you anything else is NOT a Guru
they are a teacher, and a misleading one at that...

A Guru means - the one who removes darkness/ignorance (the one who enlightens)

The only way to remove darkness\ignorance is to know the Self, which is the light & wisdom of Consciousness, teaching anything else other than Self knowledge is just adding more ignorance, enlightenment is to Know ThySelf, not to know how to breathe or stretch or follow a 'spiritual' beleif system
which is all yogananda or his compadres taught...

My whole Being lives for Absolute Truth, calling me dishonest is like water off ducks back

This is boring now...bye

:peace:


This is all the stuff that Mushroomy sez. He's got nothing to back it and you've got the same.:shrug:

It really sounds delusional and I have to suspect religiously motivated as in winning converts. Most likely for you not to swell the ranks but to confirm your beliefs to yourself and bolster your self image. Not unusual as we all do that.  Otherwise you wouldn't post in this forum IMO. You really don't talk about much other than your agenda and you never present evidence for that. If you are really out of here like you say that's a really good thing for this forum IMO.

so bye.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Rahz said:
What evidence can you conceive of which would satisfy your inquiry?


So far there has been zero evidence, just a lot of blather. How about something > 0?


It seems that the only evidence which would erase doubt would be, being enlightened. I did not suggest that we should believe in enlightenment. That is different than believing in the possibility of it.


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rahz

comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Rahz]
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Well I think even OC believes anything is possible. But given all the evidence how likely is it? If it's tremendously unlikely then it's not worth thinking about much.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Icelander]
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Enlightenment, despite the idea that we can instantly poof ourselves into some constant state of supreme being if only we knew the magic words, is described by the Buddha among others as a series of steps.

And coincidentally, these steps are things that are desirable in their own right. Instead of propping enlightenment up as an idol of worship destined to become sour grapes, it might be better to take a look at the steps and judge them based on their own merits.


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rahz

comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Rahz]
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I agree, much of what the buddha found makes good psychological sense. Very much like Rational Emotive Behavior.

Attachment brings suffering. This one thing if dealt with would change one's experience of life so dramatically that one would feel reborn.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Fantasy makes you feel good. :nicekitty:


Enlightenment is likely a fantasy and fallacy, just a supposition. A role even.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: ScavengerType]
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Well there is plenty of circumstantial evidence for this.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Orgone, there is nothing special about enlightenment. But a fully enlightened being would be phenomenal. Although i never met such a fully enlightened one i guess HH Dalai Lama comes close. He's ordinary but conveys in his words a deep understanding of our human nature and shows great care for our well being. Aren't those signs of a great awareness, of enlightenement? If not this ability to show empathy and use knowledge in a wise way, then what is a measure for enlightenment?

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
If you are really out of here like you say that's a really good thing for this forum IMO.

so bye.


I said bye, like, good night, see ya later... :shrug:

I past through my 'leaving the forum phase' a long time ago!

Just the other day you said you really liked that i post here, now you say you'd be glad to see the back of me, charming!
You've done this countless times before, one day your interested & agreeable then the next day your saving face telling me to leave the forum...its really ridiculous

I would not enjoy this forum as much without you here, i would never tell you to leave or say im glad to see the back of you, i only ever want you to experience this perfect undiluted bliss im talking about

Thanks for such a nice goodbye tho Ice, ill try to remember to not bother having anymore conversations with you, which is what you say want :frown:

:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (10/10/09 06:44 AM)

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Chronic7]
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I never said I didn't enjoy your posting. I said (listen up) that it would be good for this forum if you and all the folk who belong in that other forum would go post there and not post here.

Don't be so defensive that you can't read and understand the post.

I do enjoy some of your posting. Its just is a distraction and inappropriate in this forum IMO. (once in a while would be tolerable but you're a broken record)

Now if you move over I promise to check in on ya from time to time.:heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Now if you move over I promise to check in on ya from time to time.:heart:


Roll over? No thanks, im not a dog you can't train me :wink:

:peace:


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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Chronic7]
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Did I say roll over?

Like I said try not to be defensive and listen to what I'm saying.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Like I said try not to be defensive and listen to what I'm saying.


:lol: this is so rich coming from you


Icelander said:
I never said I didn't enjoy your posting. I said (listen up) that it would be good for this forum if you and all the folk who belong in that other forum would go post there and not post here.



what your saying to spiritual philosophers is plain & clear, roll over/move to the other forum...this has been your attitude for quite some while, nothing to be defensive about it :shrug:

Icelander said:
If you are really out of here like you say that's a really good thing for this forum IMO.

so bye.


this comment was obviously you thinking im leaving the shroomery, not P&S, cause at no point did i mention leaving P&S, or the shroomery, i just said 'bye'

bleh this is boring now, im gonna go do seomthing better with my time

bye


:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (10/10/09 08:19 AM)

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Re: Metric for an Enlightened Being? [Re: Chronic7]
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That's because that forum was designed for your kind of posting and fucking insisted on by people in the past who post in your style.

Do you ever post over there? If you do why?

You know it's a very common tactic to say this this is so rich coming from you

 when one can't defend their position logically.

IMO all you do over here (for the most part anyway) is proselytize.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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