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OfflineShrooomKing
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Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz)
    #3208798 - 10/03/04 02:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Basically ever since I was introduced to psychedelics, my whole view of life and the world around me has changed. I have learned to cherish every moment I have on this earth, and to live life as a happy centered person. Not caring for material wealth, but rather learning as much as I can about the world around me, and the wonderful existence that I possess. However all this learning and conscious altering experiences I've had have brought forth a problem I can't seem to solve. So I turn to this place for answers in hopes that those more experienced than me may shed some light on the solution.

Why continue existing?

I can't seem to crack this one. Existing just to exist seems unfulfilling and boring. I live day by day, thinking why should I do all this pointless shit. Why not just put a bullet in my head, and move on to what is next, or rather to what is not next. At the moment I'm attending a University, however I no long am motivated by materialistic ideas to care that much about finishing. The idea of living in a remote location and simply surviving seems more intriguing to me than, finishing school, getting a job and working till all my material desires are met. What is the point? Why do this? Why not go off into the unknown and live life as a creature and no longer a human.


During my psychedelic experiences, I've had GOD, then lost god, then only to be reunited with a passion to the divine that makes up my existence and to that which has led to my life. I have so many obligations I must fulfill, to my parents, mostly to my mother, who has sacrificed so much, so that I may have an easier life. A life without the struggle and poverty that she knew when she was young. How can I look her in her eyes and say: "you gave up happiness for me, yet with all the money we have, it is meaningless." How? Why?

I mostly post this, because I've hit a wall, I have very few friends. Though they are TRUE friends in every sense of the word. However at the present moment they are all preoccupied with their obligations. I feel alone, i have faith, in what... life I guess. However i just don't see the point to it all?

help me to see... love is everyting, money is nothing. i have neither.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3208810 - 10/03/04 02:33 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i know what you're talking about. well some of it. i also don't care about money. for me i realised what I wanted to do is play music and enjoy my life and spend time with friends, so i'm trying to get better at music, join a band. it'll be fun. i dont know if that helps. maybe you just need direction? i dont know.

This sounds like it should be in Support group.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3208845 - 10/03/04 02:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Im having a hard time with this. You want to know why you should continue living? you told me yourself in your post:

-I have learned to cherish every moment I have on this earth, and to live life as a happy centered person

-only to be reunited with a passion to the divine that makes up my existence and to that which has led to my life

-I have very few friends. Though they are TRUE friends in every sense of the word.

-love is everyting

-learning as much as I can about the world around me, and the wonderful existence that I possess

dont fool yourself dude. You already know whats up. If your finding yourself disilusioned with materialstic ideas, great! So stop taking those classes, travel the world, do whatever you want to do! go find love, go learn, go experience, make music, make art, do whatever moves you!

at the end of the line, its not going to matter one shit how much money youve made. All that you can hope to hold when you die is the memory of a rich and fully cherished life.

Now get this crap out of your head:

"Why not just put a bullet in my head?"

because that would be a terrible waste. There are things in this world that would make you weep for joy and astonishment. There are wonders awaiting you that you cannot even concieve of. If what you are doing now is unfufilling, seek out that which is.

"the deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.

Is not the cup that holds your wine the very same cup that burned in the potter's oven? and is not the lute that soothers your spirit the very same wood that was hollowed by knives?"


-Kahlil Gibran, the prophet

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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3208849 - 10/03/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You are correct: there is no purpose in existence.

Searching for peace in
inner, outer worlds; Fish will
chase their reflections.


You in yourself are perfect. "Strive on mindfully."

You must make your own decisions in life, but don't worry about it.  It's not a matter of life and death. :lol:

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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3208859 - 10/03/04 02:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

oh well, tomarrow is another day i guess... peace.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3208861 - 10/03/04 02:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing is pointless. We just dont understand some things, immediately. You thirst for something that is beyond the flesh; quench the body with nourishment, quench the thirst by removing it.

Indeed, you owe your life to your mother. She birthed you. But she owes her life to another who birthed her, and so on. Without that other, you would not be here so you owe your life to that person. What I'm trying to say is realize we are all brothers and sisters and feel at peace with us, the quicker you realize this the quicker we will realize it and the quicker you and us will feel at home again. Do not be selfish.

There is no purpose...unless of course you create it. That is the ultimate purpose. To take the mud and make a home with it, to take some wood and build a boat. You create your purpose; you sail down the river, down your own paths. But do not resist the river, or it will humble your feeble resistance. Just keep paddling and use your intuition as a guide.

Maybe you need to take shrooms to once again remind you to see things anew. Our structure, our society, is so fragile and impermanent. However, in its modern short time-span we have accomplished so much, we are expanding our awareness exponentially every passing moment. That alone is worth being here for, despite the tough times ahead (which are necessary for revealing our true virtuous nature to ourselves).


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Re: Existence is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3209034 - 10/03/04 04:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

A proof existence is not pointless.

1.) A situation with an ironic component has value.
2.) Assume, (toward conditional proof) that existence is pointless.
3.) If Existence is pointless, and humans continue to act as there was a point in spite of this, then the continual struggle of existence is ironic
4.) Humans continue to act as if there was a point to existence.
5.) So, If existence is pointless, then the continual struggle of existence is ironic.
6.) Either existence is pointless, or it is not.
7.) If the continual struggle to exist is ironic, then existence has some value (namely, irony).
8.) For anything, if it has some value, then it has a point.
9.) So, if existence is pointless, then it has a point (namely the value given to it by irony)
9.) So, existance is not pointless.

I proved you wrong!


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Re: Existence is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3209068 - 10/03/04 05:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ya I've been struggling with that problem for some time as well.
It's something I try not to bother myself with anymore though, because it isn't answerable directly.

What I keep in mind now is that existence serves evolution. Thus the point of existence is to evolve. But of course this is an incomplete answer because then the question is "evolve for what? where is this taking us?", but it still gives me a vague idea of the point of existence, and now its up to me to decide how I want to evolve and help others do so.

that's just my 2 cents


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3209088 - 10/03/04 05:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think that you will die anyways, so why not stick around? You might miss something cool. Also, in five years you may have a different mentality and find that your current viewpoint is entirely incomplete in retrospect.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3209116 - 10/03/04 06:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"Why continue existing?"

Why not?




Ok, a less smart-ass answer.
Firstly, who's to say for sure there IS anything to move on to? You believe so? Many people believe many things, and that does not make them true.
Question that part of your beliefs if you wish, but even if you choose to continue believing in something after.. why test your belief unnecessarily?

Secondly, you're pretty much right. We're here to be here, and since we're here it's best to smile and enjoy yourself independent of what you do or do not have.
Get as much of that in as you can. In the long run, so far as I've found at least, you tend to remember those things more than the mindless boring bullshit anyway.

And, terminally, hey, who knows, maybe civilization will collapse and you'll get to live that life after all. I certainly wouldn't mind, myself.. I can make a place to live and keep myself fed, I just have a hard time waking up on time for work.
But, till then, no reason really to go off and do something like that.. especially considering family and everything. I'll take a bit of discomfort myself, to help out my family.. but they're a good family after all, I do that knowing they'd do the same. Some wouldn't, and I do think some times that should be reciprocated, but that's a bit offtopic isn't it?


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Re: Existence is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3209118 - 10/03/04 06:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That's assuming that the original basis for your argument is true, I agree it is a good argument, but that's assuming that life is to be taken ironically, and that struggle to exist is irony and also that irony has value. But lets look at some other angles as well. For instance, you could look at it in evolutionary terms...we could still be here because we are pre-programmed for survival; almost anyone confronted with possible death goes to their instincts, and that is to avoid dying, they are instilled in us for a reason, did we not have the mental faculty to preserve ourselves we wouldn't be a successful species. So the point for life could be for us to propagate our species, but is that truly a purpose? We wouldn't want to just live till we have child and then kill ourselves, so up to the point where you have a child your purpose could be to propagate the species. But it doesn't end there, once you have a child you have a new purpose, you have to make sure that your child adequately prepared to live in this world, and I believe that is also a basic instinct, regardless how good you parents may have had it they always want to provide better for their offspring, this mentality is one of the reasons we are such a successful species. Think about it, if you lived a few thousand years ago, you had to kill your food or grow it, since then we've been developing better ways to grow and kill our food, we are slowly simplifying tasks down to the point where they involve little work at all. So we could be here to reproduce and succeed as a species, but is that a purpose in itself?

It could also be that there really isn't a point to anything, perhaps we are just a blip in a dream in someone else?s' head, there's no real way to prove that you aren't, so that opens up a bunch of different possibilities, but I'll only cover a few. Most people don't feel that they have some quest that they must complete in this life, and I think the growing population makes our lives seems less significant, we may not feel that we are that important, but I think that type of loneliness is a byproduct of the global society and the streamlining of businesses over the last few hundred years (have you ever said to yourself, damn, I?m hungry, I better go kill something so that I survive, probably not, you think about the traffic you?ll encounter on the way to walmart). Even though you may not feel extremely important we march forward. We are unique in the fact that we aren't faster or stronger than other animals, but we are more cunning, we are an extremely curious species, do you notice that when you see something new, or see something interesting you want to know how it works and why it works? If we didn't have that curiosity, we probably would still be running around in the woods with hatchets, if alive at all. In the last 500 years our culture has advanced probably more than any other 500 year period in time. We've gone from alchemy to advanced chemistry, simple gunpowder to atom bomb, from accusing people of witchcraft to a general curiosity as to the actual possibilities of it (humans flying, magic potions (aka modern medicine), they?ve now mapped out the parts of the brain related to almost every emotion, so in a sense it could be the birth of mind reading), we?ve gone from people being exiled for saying that we weren?t the center of the universe to people entertaining the idea that everything in this world could be composed of strings (string theory), that the universe is infinite, and there are tons of other examples. We?ve had our place at the top of the food chain for a while, so we are evolving at a much higher rate socially than would be expected. But even if we are just a dream in someone else?s brain we can still have a perceived purpose, real or imaginary anything you assign a purpose to has one.

Earlier I said that we probably don?t individually have a specific purpose of the world (assuming we decide our own destiny (but how do you actually know you have free will?), but now let?s look at the viewpoint that we are all put here for a specific reason, this is something I?m sure none of us would really like to accept as truth, because if your reason for being here is predetermined then you really have no other purpose than to act out a play that?s already been written. In that case then you could say that your life is meaningless to yourself, since it isn?t truly your life, you?re not acting on free will, but serving some purpose for the whole, maybe the guy who jumps out of an airplane with a parachute that doesn?t deploy is meant to save lives in the future by designing better parachutes and packing methods. Either way you serve at least some purpose to someone or something.

We could be here to worship the God that created us (assuming that?s true), but I find that unlikely, I think something that?s smart enough and powerful enough to create us would want something more than an ego boost (you?re welcome to disagree). Perhaps the purpose of life to just experience it, and that is God?s gift to us, whether you?re stuck in the trenches or atop the mountain you can at least say that you were there, that you experienced it, and for good or ill all life?s experiences are meaningful since the purpose behind it was for you to have the opportunity to experience it. But however you live your life, whatever you do in this world, you should be thankful that you received the greatest gift of all, a chance. Out of 60 million sperm you were the only one that got the opportunity to come into the world, would you rather have not had the opportunity?

P.S. You?re parents may not agree with the lifestyle you choose to live (ex forego material idolatry) but the way I see it is that it is your life, you may only get once chance at it, you should be able to live it how you like. It?s natural for parents to want their children to succeed, but they also want to let you do what you are happy with (although often times expectations overstep reality), try and think of the reasons why you want do that, and come up with a good way to present your argument. One that not only shows that you?ve thought of the difficulties and repercussions of doing so. People with children realize how much actual work goes into raising a child, it?s especially hard to do it well. Thank your parents for all they?ve done for you, had they not had the drive to better for themselves and you, you wouldn?t have been presented with the chance you have now, you can be grateful for all they?ve given you and still lead your own life. To be safe I?d at least complete college so should your plans turn out to fail in the long run you have some recourse, that?ll probably impress your parents too.

Alright, I?m done ranting, damn, that amounted to 1200 worlds, I?d like to thank some special substances for making this possible.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210015 - 10/03/04 04:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I find myself wondering a lot what it is I'm doing here in this life. I'm certainly not here to aquire material wealth and then die.

I say, focus on what you can take with you, the internal stuff.

I keep coming back to seeing the point of being here is to realise the self through our creations and creative potential.

I thinkwe derive a lot of fullfillment from our accomplishments and a "can do" attitude and spirit.

When life runs dull and flat, look for some creative inspiration and create something with it.

I have a lot of "spiritual type" friends in college who are just banging there heads on the wall. They are there because there parents want them there and they want something else for themselves and just don't know what it or can't assert it in life.

I think every individual has to create their own purpose and meaning and then live it.

Look at it this way, if our spirits are eternal, whats 60 more years here in this body and life? When you put it in perspective like this, the world becomes your oyster, your canvas, your stage. Make the most of it.

Think of what you can do that says "Shroom King was here" after you are gone, even if its just saving an animal that goes on to procreate generations leading to 100,000 more in the coming years. Even if its just planting a flower garden along your sidewalk, so one day, a young man can pick a few and give them to his lady love and she'll feel special to him.

Get creative and realise yourself through your creations and what you can have an impact on. You are very powerful not pointless.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210043 - 10/03/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

this is suposed to be heaven.
your suposed to be enjoying yourself to much to wonder about these things.

i dont know what happend. yet.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210325 - 10/03/04 05:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The fact that existance is pointless, is exactly its point. You can do with your life whatever you want. I suppose all anyone can aspire to is to be happy and to really know theirselves (and possibly a few other people). What you need to do to achieve those two goals is personal, so listen to yourself and find out what you need to do.

You aren't alone. Think about it, if life had a point, why would the entertainment and news industries be as big as they are today? Why would the West have evolved into the giant socio-political consumer machine it is?


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3210350 - 10/03/04 05:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Stone said:
The fact that existance is pointless, is exactly its point. You can do with your life whatever you want.




:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

There is so much freedom in that! I would prefer it to be this way then have there be a point I am a slave too.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210358 - 10/03/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Be not afraid of growing slowly, be afraid only of standing still.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210577 - 10/03/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If existance was pointless.. we would not exist.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210616 - 10/03/04 07:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

OK, existance is pointless, go kill yourself it you think thats true :smile:

Whos really gonna care?

If its not, the whoes really gonna care?


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: tomk]
    #3210699 - 10/03/04 07:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What if the point of existance is to make points about why we exists?


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210816 - 10/03/04 08:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"What if the point of existance is to make points about why we exists? "

thats what religion is for. :smile:

but seriously, the most logical answer i can give you it "bleahh" or "    "


because i cant put it in words lol


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