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OfflineJhadAgainstReality
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can anything be definatively proved?
    #1987356 - 10/07/03 06:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

is it possible to prove ANYTHING, beyond a shadow of a doubt?
the following questions- is it really possible to truly prove any of them, totally and definatively?

God does/does not exist?
there is/isnt a multiverse?
life is/isnt a dream/hallucination/simulation?
you do/dont exist?

these are just random questions, but you get the idea, right?

i mean, can anything REALLY be proved?


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
    #1987442 - 10/07/03 06:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

no. nothing is 100% certain.


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OfflineHagbardCeline
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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
    #1987476 - 10/07/03 06:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

This is why I try and base my beliefs on probabilities. 

Use "Maybe Logic"  :wink:


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OfflineCleverName
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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
    #1987477 - 10/07/03 06:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

theres just probabilities. but i cant prove that


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OfflineDankBluntZ
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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: CleverName]
    #1987497 - 10/07/03 07:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Anything can be definatively proved if you believe it is proved in your mind. Reality is not what everyone sees, its what you yourself see and believe. So, if you believe that something has been proved (no matter what drove you to believe this) then it definatively is true. anyone agree/disagree on any level?


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
    #1987507 - 10/07/03 07:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

proved in the sense of a mathematical proof, as in using logic, no. but that's what is great about these things!


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1987673 - 10/07/03 07:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree. A lot of people think they're wonderful, attractive, talented etc., while the masses of people would disagree. Some things are determined, I don't buy the karmic cycles or the "you make reality" philosophies. although sometimes I do see how the "you make reality" philosophy can play out in many peoples' lives.


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1987694 - 10/07/03 07:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Can I survive a gunshot to the back of my head if I believe it won't hurt me?


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OfflineDankBluntZ
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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: Phluck]
    #1987830 - 10/07/03 08:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
Can I survive a gunshot to the back of my head if I believe it won't hurt me?





Once you get shot in the back of the head i gaurantee you will no longer believe that it won't hurt you. You will probably no longer believe a lot of things since youll most likely be dead. your reality would have changed.


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1987843 - 10/07/03 08:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

In that case the gun must exist for sure, and your must know for sure that discharging one into your skull can change your reality.

If any aspect of reality can be changed through belief, why can't this one?


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: Phluck]
    #1987902 - 10/07/03 09:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Damn there's some hardcore retards going around these parts


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OfflineSpokesman
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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: ]
    #1987910 - 10/07/03 09:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If nonone can define reality how can anything be proven o exist or happen? Like my sig says.


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OfflineDankBluntZ
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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: Phluck]
    #1987920 - 10/07/03 09:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
In that case the gun must exist for sure, and your must know for sure that discharging one into your skull can change your reality.




If you know for sure that discharging a bullet into your head can change your reality then you do not believe that you won't die or be injured from a gunshot to the head. What I mean is that it is only your reality if you TRULY believe inside.
Let me put it this way, if you believe that a gun won't injure and/or kill you, then that is your reality (no one has the same reality) until you are shot in the back of the head with a gun.



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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1987942 - 10/07/03 09:18 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Spokesman said:
If nonone can define reality how can anything be proven o exist or happen? Like my sig says.




Reality is your life. Everything you experience, feel, touch, hear , say, and believe in is YOUR own personal reality. I think where my thinking strays from others is because some people think their is this one huge reality that everyone lives in simultaneously.But how can this ever possibly be since no two people see things exactly the same.

The way I see it , is that everyone lives in their own personal realities, no matter how enlightened or smart or knowledgeable of their surroundings they may be.

I guess what im really trying to say is nothing can be proven and nothing is proven, unless its something you have proven to yourself.



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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1987961 - 10/07/03 09:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

DankBluntZ said:
Anything can be definatively proved if you believe it is proved in your mind. Reality is not what everyone sees, its what you yourself see and believe. So, if you believe that something has been proved (no matter what drove you to believe this) then it definatively is true. anyone agree/disagree on any level?




If you believe something is proved in your mind, then that is a belief, not truth. Truth is not a subjective entity, but more something universal that cannot be refuted in any way.
Truth can't be objected to, and if it can, then it is not truth, but a belief.
THEREFORE, none of the above questions can be PROVED because all rest on beliefs.


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
    #1988571 - 10/08/03 12:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The only thing that is 100% certain to me is that I exist as some sort of individual consciousness.

Beyond that...it's a matter of probability and possibility  :smirk:


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
    #1988984 - 10/08/03 02:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

prove that nothing can be proved.


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1989023 - 10/08/03 03:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

baahhhhh... :nut:


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: manna_man]
    #1989039 - 10/08/03 03:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

We are all subjectively experiencing an objective world that none of us have any way of knowing it objectively as we experience it subjectively.

Of course, the more you remove your ego and your independant viewpoint, meditation, drugs, etc, the more you sort of clue in on the objective truths... but it is still our take on the objective truth, making it subjective truth, it is only the imagination of coinciding logic (:grin: thanks, Spokesman!)

Come on, now, prove me wrong. Bring in undeniable proof agansit what I said. Or what anyone else said. None exists. None of us can hold objective truth. Sorry.
Peace.


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Re: can anything be definatively proved? [Re: manna_man]
    #1989041 - 10/08/03 03:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

lol i agree with manna_man :crazy2:


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