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InvisibleSwami
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Does Love Exist?
    #3698970 - 01/29/05 05:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

PhanTomCat asks: "You can't "see" love, but can you honestly deny that it exists....?"

I see it only as a human idea or a concept with no substance.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3698987 - 01/29/05 05:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Love is a word for a certain realtionship with something or a certain sensation, so it does exist.
Does "looking" or "concern" or "pain" exist? They are abstract but they do exist as concepts.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3698998 - 01/29/05 05:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Is there an emotion, or set of emotions that humans refer to as love? Yes.

Is it some magical force that ties us together and is prevelant throughout the universe? Shut up, hippy.

I kid. But no, probably not.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Phluck]
    #3699038 - 01/29/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

7 entries found for love.

n.
A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
A feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.

Sexual passion.
Sexual intercourse.
A love affair.
An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
An expression of one's affection: Send him my love.

A strong predilection or enthusiasm: a love of language.
The object of such an enthusiasm: The outdoors is her greatest love.
Love Mythology. Eros or Cupid.
often Love Christianity. Charity.
Sports. A zero score in tennis.

v. loved, lov?ing, loves
v. tr.
To have a deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward (a person): We love our parents. I love my friends.
To have a feeling of intense desire and attraction toward (a person).
To have an intense emotional attachment to: loves his house.

To embrace or caress.
To have sexual intercourse with.
To like or desire enthusiastically: loves swimming.
Theology. To have charity for.
To thrive on; need: The cactus loves hot, dry air.

v. intr.
To experience deep affection or intense desire for another.

Idioms:
for love
Out of compassion; with no thought for a reward: She volunteers at the hospital for love.
for love or money
Under any circumstances. Usually used in negative sentences: I would not do that for love or money.
for the love of
For the sake of; in consideration for: did it all for the love of praise.
in love
Deeply or passionately enamored: a young couple in love.
Highly or immoderately fond: in love with Japanese painting; in love with the sound of her own voice.
no love lost
No affection; animosity: There's no love lost between them.


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[Middle English, from Old English lufu. See leubh- in Indo-European Roots.]
Synonyms: love, affection, devotion, fondness, infatuation
These nouns denote feelings of warm personal attachment or strong attraction to another person. Love is the most intense: marrying for love. Affection is a less ardent and more unvarying feeling of tender regard: parental affection. Devotion is earnest, affectionate dedication and implies selflessness: teachers admired for their devotion to children. Fondness is strong liking or affection: a fondness for small animals. Infatuation is foolish or extravagant attraction, often of short duration: lovers blinded to their differences by their mutual infatuation.


Source: The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


love

In addition to the idioms beginning with love, also see all's fair in love and war; course of true love; fall in love; for the love of; labor of love; make love; misery loves company; no love lost; not for love or money; puppy love; somebody up there loves me.



Source: The American Heritage? Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright ? 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.


love

n 1: a strong positive emotion of regard and affection; "his love for his work"; "children need a lot of love" [ant: hate] 2: any object of warm affection or devotion; "the theater was her first love" or "he has a passion for cock fighting"; [syn: passion] 3: a beloved person; used as terms of endearment [syn: beloved, dear, dearest, loved one, honey] 4: a deep feeling of sexual desire and attraction; "their love left them indifferent to their surroundings"; "she was his first love" 5: a score of zero in tennis or squash; "it was 40 love" 6: sexual activities (often including sexual intercourse) between two people; "his lovemaking disgusted her"; "he hadn't had any love in months"; "he has a very complicated love life" [syn: sexual love, lovemaking, making love, love life] v 1: have a great affection or liking for; "I love French food"; "She loves her boss and works hard for him" [ant: hate] 2: get pleasure from; "I love cooking" [syn: enjoy] 3: be enamored or in love with; "She loves her husband deeply" 4: have sexual intercourse with; "This student sleeps with everyone in her dorm"; "Adam knew Eve"; "Were you ever intimate with this man?" [syn: roll in the hay, make out, make love, sleep with, get laid, have sex, know, do it, be intimate, have intercourse, have it away, have it off, screw, fuck, jazz, eff, hump, lie with, bed, have a go at it, bang, get it on, bonk]


Source: WordNet ? 2.0, ? 2003 Princeton University


love



What many users feel for computers.

"I don't really love computers, I just say that to get them
into bed with me". (Terry Pratchet)

[What did you expect in a computing dictionary?]

(1995-05-10)



Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, ? 1993-2004 Denis Howe


love

This word seems to require explanation only in the case of its use by our Lord
in his interview with "Simon, the son of Jonas," after his resurrection (John
21:16, 17). When our Lord says, "Lovest thou me?" he uses the Greek word
_agapas_; and when Simon answers, he uses the Greek word _philo_, i.e., "I
love." This is the usage in the first and second questions put by our Lord; but
in the third our Lord uses Simon's word. The distinction between these two Greek
words is thus fitly described by Trench:, "_Agapan_ has more of judgment and
deliberate choice; _philein_ has more of attachment and peculiar personal
affection. Thus the 'Lovest thou' (Gr. agapas) on the lips of the Lord seems to
Peter at this moment too cold a word, as though his Lord were keeping him at a
distance, or at least not inviting him to draw near, as in the passionate
yearning of his heart he desired now to do. Therefore he puts by the word and
substitutes his own stronger 'I love' (Gr. philo) in its room. A second time he
does the same. And now he has conquered; for when the Lord demands a third time
whether he loves him, he does it in the word which alone will satisfy Peter
('Lovest thou,' Gr. phileis), which alone claims from him that personal
attachment and affection with which indeed he knows that his heart is full." In
1 Cor. 13 the apostle sets forth the excellency of love, as the word "charity"
there is rendered in the Revised Version.

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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3699049 - 01/29/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ah. mad hugs for swami. What a cold world!

does love exist? the question is, does it exist for you?

personally, im drowning in the fucking stuff


:grin:

feel better man.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Cosm]
    #3699098 - 01/29/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What's your point? Does the dictionary say that the emotion known as love (as the person didn't mean "make love," or other euphemisms for sex) is not a "human idea or a concept with no substance?"


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3699150 - 01/29/05 06:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Sure it does, just look at these guys

:heart: :heart:

Real love between two brothers.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Ravus]
    #3699273 - 01/29/05 07:46 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
What's your point? Does the dictionary say that the emotion known as love (as the person didn't mean "make love," or other euphemisms for sex) is not a "human idea or a concept with no substance?"





7 entries found for love.

n.
A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
A feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.

Sexual passion.
Sexual intercourse.
A love affair.
An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
An expression of one's affection: Send him my love.

A strong predilection or enthusiasm: a love of language.
The object of such an enthusiasm: The outdoors is her greatest love.
Love Mythology. Eros or Cupid.
often Love Christianity. Charity.
Sports. A zero score in tennis.

v. loved, lov?ing, loves
v. tr.
To have a deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward (a person): We love our parents. I love my friends.
To have a feeling of intense desire and attraction toward (a person).
To have an intense emotional attachment to: loves his house.

To embrace or caress.
To have sexual intercourse with.
To like or desire enthusiastically: loves swimming.
Theology. To have charity for.
To thrive on; need: The cactus loves hot, dry air.

v. intr.
To experience deep affection or intense desire for another.

Idioms:
for love
Out of compassion; with no thought for a reward: She volunteers at the hospital for love.
for love or money
Under any circumstances. Usually used in negative sentences: I would not do that for love or money.
for the love of
For the sake of; in consideration for: did it all for the love of praise.
in love
Deeply or passionately enamored: a young couple in love.
Highly or immoderately fond: in love with Japanese painting; in love with the sound of her own voice.
no love lost
No affection; animosity: There's no love lost between them.


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[Middle English, from Old English lufu. See leubh- in Indo-European Roots.]
Synonyms: love, affection, devotion, fondness, infatuation
These nouns denote feelings of warm personal attachment or strong attraction to another person. Love is the most intense: marrying for love. Affection is a less ardent and more unvarying feeling of tender regard: parental affection. Devotion is earnest, affectionate dedication and implies selflessness: teachers admired for their devotion to children. Fondness is strong liking or affection: a fondness for small animals. Infatuation is foolish or extravagant attraction, often of short duration: lovers blinded to their differences by their mutual infatuation.


Source: The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


love

In addition to the idioms beginning with love, also see all's fair in love and war; course of true love; fall in love; for the love of; labor of love; make love; misery loves company; no love lost; not for love or money; puppy love; somebody up there loves me.



Source: The American Heritage? Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright ? 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.


love

n 1: a strong positive emotion of regard and affection; "his love for his work"; "children need a lot of love" [ant: hate] 2: any object of warm affection or devotion; "the theater was her first love" or "he has a passion for cock fighting"; [syn: passion] 3: a beloved person; used as terms of endearment [syn: beloved, dear, dearest, loved one, honey] 4: a deep feeling of sexual desire and attraction; "their love left them indifferent to their surroundings"; "she was his first love" 5: a score of zero in tennis or squash; "it was 40 love" 6: sexual activities (often including sexual intercourse) between two people; "his lovemaking disgusted her"; "he hadn't had any love in months"; "he has a very complicated love life" [syn: sexual love, lovemaking, making love, love life] v 1: have a great affection or liking for; "I love French food"; "She loves her boss and works hard for him" [ant: hate] 2: get pleasure from; "I love cooking" [syn: enjoy] 3: be enamored or in love with; "She loves her husband deeply" 4: have sexual intercourse with; "This student sleeps with everyone in her dorm"; "Adam knew Eve"; "Were you ever intimate with this man?" [syn: roll in the hay, make out, make love, sleep with, get laid, have sex, know, do it, be intimate, have intercourse, have it away, have it off, screw, fuck, jazz, eff, hump, lie with, bed, have a go at it, bang, get it on, bonk]


Source: WordNet ? 2.0, ? 2003 Princeton University


love



What many users feel for computers.

"I don't really love computers, I just say that to get them
into bed with me". (Terry Pratchet)

[What did you expect in a computing dictionary?]

(1995-05-10)



Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, ? 1993-2004 Denis Howe


love

This word seems to require explanation only in the case of its use by our Lord
in his interview with "Simon, the son of Jonas," after his resurrection (John
21:16, 17). When our Lord says, "Lovest thou me?" he uses the Greek word
_agapas_; and when Simon answers, he uses the Greek word _philo_, i.e., "I
love." This is the usage in the first and second questions put by our Lord; but
in the third our Lord uses Simon's word. The distinction between these two Greek
words is thus fitly described by Trench:, "_Agapan_ has more of judgment and
deliberate choice; _philein_ has more of attachment and peculiar personal
affection. Thus the 'Lovest thou' (Gr. agapas) on the lips of the Lord seems to
Peter at this moment too cold a word, as though his Lord were keeping him at a
distance, or at least not inviting him to draw near, as in the passionate
yearning of his heart he desired now to do. Therefore he puts by the word and
substitutes his own stronger 'I love' (Gr. philo) in its room. A second time he
does the same. And now he has conquered; for when the Lord demands a third time
whether he loves him, he does it in the word which alone will satisfy Peter
('Lovest thou,' Gr. phileis), which alone claims from him that personal
attachment and affection with which indeed he knows that his heart is full." In
1 Cor. 13 the apostle sets forth the excellency of love, as the word "charity"
there is rendered in the Revised Version.

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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3699293 - 01/29/05 07:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

love exists, but only by willpower and self-sacrifice.

despite what many 70's R&B acts would have people believe, real love is not a walk in the park. Real love can bring darkness the likes of which many people are incapable of dealing with.

so, to answer your question, yes I do believe in love, but on the other hand, hippies can cram that "love is all you need" crap up their asses. Their idea of what love should be is a bigoted, superficial escapist fantasy.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3699302 - 01/29/05 07:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well Jesus had that hippy attitude towards love, yet he
delt with the darkness that came with it


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Cosm]
    #3699323 - 01/29/05 07:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

hu?man Audio pronunciation of "human" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hymn)
n.

1. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.
2. A person: the extraordinary humans who explored Antarctica.


adj.

1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of humans: the course of human events; the human race.
2. Having or showing those positive aspects of nature and character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals: an act of human kindness.
3. Subject to or indicative of the weaknesses, imperfections, and fragility associated with humans: a mistake that shows he's only human; human frailty.
4. Having the form of a human.
5. Made up of humans: formed a human bridge across the ice.


[Middle English humain, from Old French, from Latin hmnus. See dhghem- in Indo-European Roots.]human?hood n.
human?ness n.

i?de?a Audio pronunciation of "idea" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-d)
n.

1. Something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity.
2. An opinion, conviction, or principle: has some strange political ideas.
3. A plan, scheme, or method.
4. The gist of a specific situation; significance: The idea is to finish the project under budget.
5. A notion; a fancy.
6. Music. A theme or motif.
7. Philosophy.
1. In the philosophy of Plato, an archetype of which a corresponding being in phenomenal reality is an imperfect replica.
2. In the philosophy of Kant, a concept of reason that is transcendent but nonempirical.
3. In the philosophy of Hegel, absolute truth; the complete and ultimate product of reason.
8. Obsolete. A mental image of something remembered.


[Middle English, from Latin, from Greek. See weid- in Indo-European Roots.]i?dea?less adj.

Synonyms: idea, thought, notion, concept, conception
These nouns refer to what is formed or represented in the mind as the product of mental activity. Idea has the widest range: ?Human history is in essence a history of ideas? (H.G. Wells). Thought is distinctively intellectual and stresses contemplation and reasoning: ?Language is the dress of thought? (Samuel Johnson). Notion often refers to a vague, general, or even fanciful idea: ?She certainly has some notion of drawing? (Rudyard Kipling). Concept and conception are applied to mental formulations on a broad scale: You seem to have absolutely no concept of time. ?Every succeeding scientific discovery makes greater nonsense of old-time conceptions of sovereignty? (Anthony Eden).

con?cept Audio pronunciation of "concept" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knspt)
n.

1. A general idea derived or inferred from specific instances or occurrences.
2. Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion. See Synonyms at idea.
3. A scheme; a plan: ?began searching for an agency to handle a new restaurant concept? (ADWEEK).


[Late Latin conceptus, from Latin, past participle of concipere, to conceive. See conceive.]

sub?stance Audio pronunciation of "substance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sbstns)
n.

1.
1. That which has mass and occupies space; matter.
2. A material of a particular kind or constitution.
2.
1. Essential nature; essence.
2. Gist; heart.
3. That which is solid and practical in character, quality, or importance: a plan without substance.
4. Density; body: Air has little substance.
5. Material possessions; goods; wealth: a person of substance.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: skystone]
    #3699324 - 01/29/05 07:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

well, some people are better alchemists than others.

I know many people who the hippie lifestyle has spit up and chewed out, leaving them bitter and depressed in their middle age.

Really I think that hippy 'faith in love' is just naive and narrow-minded. Love isnt all that. It has its ups and downs just like anything else. It can make life good and it can make life suck. Its not like 'pure light' or anything. Its just something, you know like it has two sides just like anything else. To see love as nothing but positive is naive and narrow-minded, IMO.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3699337 - 01/29/05 08:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If you are talking about having affection for someone, then I guess you are right, but I'm talking about the love religions and hippies were talking about. You know, love by choice, compassion.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: skystone]
    #3699341 - 01/29/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Talking about or exhibiting?


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3699346 - 01/29/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Talking about or exhibiting?




nice
:smile:


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3699357 - 01/29/05 08:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's the nature of an evolutionary monogamic species.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: Swami]
    #3699363 - 01/29/05 08:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean by exhibiting, showing on actions?


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: skystone]
    #3699370 - 01/29/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

skystone said:
If you are talking about having affection for someone, then I guess you are right, but I'm talking about the love religions and hippies were talking about. You know, love by choice, compassion.




basically what I'm saying is that if I love somebody, I'll take bullets for them, but that doesn't mean the bullets won't hurt.

love hurts. Its not all fun and games.

I mean, isnt that the difference between a fair weather friend and a true friend? A true friend will stick by you even when it isnt pleasant for them to do so. That's love. I dont really have respect for love that hasnt been tested by hardship. I mean, its easy to love someone when they are rich and healthy. Try loving someone when they are poor and dying.


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3699385 - 01/29/05 08:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You will take the bullets with peace, and as for physical pain, there are painkillers


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Re: Does Love Exist? [Re: skystone]
    #3699389 - 01/29/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And besides, you will mostly hurt if you love selectivley..

If you love, instead of love someone, you will have much less pain


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