shivas.wisdom said:

shivas.wisdom said:

After spending time in the West Bank, was your major takeaway "I want Hamas removed just as much for the safety of Israelis as I do for the freedom of Palestinians"

---

You didn't answer yet, but I'm going to explain why your talk here of "tragedy" and "love" comes across as disingenuous.

First, you come here asking people to empathize with Israelis because they can be kind and caring with their friends and families -- Hitler also famously loved dogs, but that has no bearing on his genocide -- abusers can be kind to people other than their victims, and fascists can care about their families while carrying out a genocide.

I tried to press you on how your genocide denial is the issue here -- and how empathy you can display towards other people and groups doesn't take away from the lack of empathy you consistently display towards Palestinians. I asked you to clarify your opinion regarding Israel's genocide, but you didn't want to "say the line" so we moved on.

Next, I asked you to extend the empathy you ask for Israelis, towards Palestinians too -- specifically, I asked about the West Bank -- and yes, on the surface level your response was kind and caring -- but you chose to focus on "removing Hamas" without a single mention to how the Israeli military and settler paramilitaries are the biggest threat to the safety and freedom of Palestinians in the West Bank -- it's impossible to spend time in the West Bank without this being glaringly obvious, so why do you not mention it at all?

You talk about not wanting to "say the line" when it comes to acknowledging the genocide you are currently benefiting from -- but you're more than willing to say the line of 'do you condemm Hamas?' even when it's irrelevant to the violence happening in the West Bank right now.

So you don't acknowledge the genocide, you don't acknowledge the violence of the IDF and settlers, you don't acknowledge the government-led campaigns of apartheid and ethnic cleansing -- you just say the line "I want Hamas removed" -- and this is why your attempt to display empathy towards Palestinians mostly just reveals a massive blindspot.

Hamas may provide an excuse for Gaza, but it doesn't work for the West Bank -- similarly, Hezbollah may provide an excuse for Lebanon, but there's nothing for Syria. There's so much evidence, from the published rhetoric of Israeli citizens to the explicit political actions of your democratic leaders to the long list of war crimes committed by your military -- if you truly are the empathetic person you come across as in other topics, eventually you will have to grapple with your genocide

---

Well said. Honestly, this post is so good.

Yes, Hamas has nothing to do with the West bank, and my thought as well, is that Hamas is the reason settlers wouldn't go into Gaza, but terrorize the West Bank.

farmer88 said:

If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.

---

farmer88 said:

If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.

---

farmer88 said:

If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.

---

farmer88 said:

And it happens again.

enlil deleting posts that don't conform to the script. This place is controlled by Israel.

Reminds me why I fucked off for 9 years, but I made the mistake of coming back.

Bye bye cunts.

---

farmer88 said:

If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Bit like Americans really.

---

The Ecstatic said:

farmer88 said:

And it happens again.

enlil deleting posts that don't conform to the script. This place is controlled by Israel.

Reminds me why I fucked off for 9 years, but I made the mistake of coming back.

Bye bye cunts.

---

You better have been born in 1988

---

We were all born in 88...

farmer88 said:

If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

---

I usually don't consider myself a victim of anything.

But, does this same logic apply to all unpopular minorities, in general?

Bigbadwooof said:

I understand that Netanyahu (I hate the name "Bibi" for a bloodthirsty, mass-murdering warmonger, honestly)...

---

Enlil said:

You're going to believe what you believe and facts won't ever change that.  I didn't post that for you anyway.  I posted that for the rational thinkers who might be swayed by your bullshit.

---

Asante said:

I want the promised Zion to come.

An Israel ruled by Godliness that leads by example and which inspires the surrounding nations so positively that they concur with it. The Zion of Godly Peace ushering in a golden age for the world.

Bibi’s secular, militaristic, genocidal ethnographic state Israel could not be further from the true Zion - its a travesty of the true Zion, and because Zion lies in the future, it can only mean that the current wrongful Israel must fall.

Either it renews itself from within or it will literally be militarily defeated.

This is a position shared by a number of Rabbi’s.

Calling the current Israel “Zion” does not vibe with everything Zion would be.

God is not happy with the current state of affairs to put it very mildly.

---

Asante said:

ChatGPT, define the Scriptural Zion without commenting politically on the current regime:

Scriptural Zion is portrayed as a holy dwelling of God, characterized by righteousness, peace, justice, and the nearness of the Divine: a place where God’s presence is established, where people live in faithfulness and mutual care, where oppression and violence give way to security, where the poor and vulnerable are protected, and where abundance and restoration replace deprivation; it is associated with joy, worship, truth, healing, and reconciliation, with peoples being drawn toward God’s light rather than compelled by force, and with creation itself experiencing renewal and flourishing.



Could. Not. Be. More. Different.

---