dynomite said:

zappaisgod said:

There is no such thing as Palestinian territory.  There was Egyptian territory, Jordanian territory, Syrian territory and Lebanese territory.  Palestinian territory?  Nope.  What was the result of Israel ceding Egyptian captured territory to the murdering morons?  They elected a terrorist organization and continued with renewed vigor the rocket attacks on Israeli villages.  Fuck them.

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which side do you think murders more people? the people with crude,
short-ranged rockets or the people with one of the most advanced
militaries in the world?

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zappaisgod said:

Keep that shit up and you might just get a nasty PM from the Scavenger.  Or maybe even, horror of horrors, ignored by his eminence.

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Seuss said:

dynomite said:

zappaisgod said:

There is no such thing as Palestinian territory.  There was Egyptian territory, Jordanian territory, Syrian territory and Lebanese territory.  Palestinian territory?  Nope.  What was the result of Israel ceding Egyptian captured territory to the murdering morons?  They elected a terrorist organization and continued with renewed vigor the rocket attacks on Israeli villages.  Fuck them.

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which side do you think murders more people? the people with crude,
short-ranged rockets or the people with one of the most advanced
militaries in the world?

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Typically, the crude weapons murder more people than the advanced weapons due to accuracy.  (Murder in the sense of non-combatants being killed.)  The crude weapons are also typically targeted against non-combatant civilians, not against legitimate military targets, so again, your argument fails.

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zappaisgod said:

Seuss said:

> Johnm are you serious that you don't know that Israelis have stolen a lot of the land that they currently occupy?

If you don't want to lose your land, then don't start a war you can't win.

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No shit.

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Seuss said:

dynomite said:

which side do you think murders more people? the people with crude,
short-ranged rockets or the people with one of the most advanced
militaries in the world?

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Typically, the crude weapons murder more people than the advanced weapons due to accuracy.  (Murder in the sense of non-combatants being killed.)  The crude weapons are also typically targeted against non-combatant civilians, not against legitimate military targets, so again, your argument fails.

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ChuangTzu said:

zappaisgod said:

There is no such thing as Palestinian territory.  There was Egyptian territory, Jordanian territory, Syrian territory and Lebanese territory.  Palestinian territory?  Nope.  What was the result of Israel ceding Egyptian captured territory to the murdering morons?  They elected a terrorist organization and continued with renewed vigor the rocket attacks on Israeli villages.  Fuck them.

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So if Arkansas was annexed by a foreign country and then made an independent muslim state and the United States no longer claimed an interest in the territory, you would consider it illegitimate for the native Arkansas-ans to resist their new occupiers and create a new Arkansas-an nation?  I don't see how whether there was a historical state of Palestine or not even matters...

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dynomite said:

zappaisgod said:

There is no such thing as Palestinian territory.  There was Egyptian territory, Jordanian territory, Syrian territory and Lebanese territory.  Palestinian territory?  Nope.  What was the result of Israel ceding Egyptian captured territory to the murdering morons?  They elected a terrorist organization and continued with renewed vigor the rocket attacks on Israeli villages.  Fuck them.

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which side do you think murders more people? the people with crude,
short-ranged rockets or the people with one of the most advanced
militaries in the world?

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ScavengerType said:

Seuss said:

dynomite said:

which side do you think murders more people? the people with crude,
short-ranged rockets or the people with one of the most advanced
militaries in the world?

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Typically, the crude weapons murder more people than the advanced weapons due to accuracy.  (Murder in the sense of non-combatants being killed.)  The crude weapons are also typically targeted against non-combatant civilians, not against legitimate military targets, so again, your argument fails.

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Attacks from both sides mainly target "non-combat civilians" hell Israeli bulldozers are often used to murder protesters with impunity never-mind their tanks. There is no justice for anyone opposing Zionism in Israeli law.

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Quote:

General Allenby conquered the holy land from the Turks.

Lord Balfour issues a Declaration in support of a Jewish homeland under a British Mandate. The plan receives support from the League of Nations and President Wilson.

Winston Churchill in acquiescence to Emir Abdullah, creates an Arab State on the east of the Jordan river; Transjordan.

Arab reaction to the Balfour declaration prompted riots led by Hajj Amin el Husseini the mufti of Jerusalem leading in (1936) to the Arab revolt.

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Shins said:

Yes i demand it if we are expected to have a rational discussion, not a fallacious one.

What do you say Icelander?

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zappaisgod said:

What fantastic world you live in!  And by fantastic I don't mean good, I mean batshit crazy otherwroldly.  Isn't that how the US was created in the first place?  Conquest?  Like just about every other nation on Earth?

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My sympathies are all with the Jews. I have known them intimately in South
Africa. Some of them became lifelong companions. Through these friends I
came to learn much of their age long persecution. They have been the
untouchables of Christianity. The parallel between their treatment by
Christians and the treatment of untouchables by Hindus is very close.

Religious sanction has been invoked in both cases for the justification of
the inhuman treatment meted out to them. Apart from the friendships,
therefore, there is the more common universal reason for my sympathy for
the Jews. But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice.

The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews
have hankered after return to Palestine.


Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country
their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood?
Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.

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But in my opinion, they [the Jews] have erred grievously in seeking to impose themselves on Palestine with the aid of America and Britain and now with the aid of naked terrorism... Why should they depend on American money or British arms for forcing themselves on an unwelcome land? Why should they resort to terrorism to make good their forcible landing in Palestine?

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