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Ariel Sharon (cartoon)
    #530935 - 01/25/02 12:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)


Copyright-free cartoon by Brazilian cartoonist Latuff www.indictsharon.net


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: mm.]
    #530976 - 01/25/02 01:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If he is indicted, who do you think will take his place. I think he has taken care of every Israel opposition force there is.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: mm.]
    #531035 - 01/25/02 03:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Evil, bad, naughty Sharon!!! How dare he play hardball in defense of the only secular democracy in the middle east. Good thing there are brave fighters from Hamas and Fatah to blow up pizza parlors full of old Russian women.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: wingnutx]
    #531086 - 01/25/02 04:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I would expect you to support Sharon, as you claim to be a fascist. As to who might succeed him, I guess it would depend on the circumstances in which he left. Peres and Netanyahu would probably be the most likley candidates, though neither of them would exactly represent a step forward.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: mm.]
    #531104 - 01/25/02 04:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Uh, I don't claim to be a fascist. My tag-line is a quote from "The Young Ones," which is a comedy on British television. You might not want to take those things literally.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: wingnutx]
    #531114 - 01/25/02 04:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well politics is different on this side of the Atlantic, the middleground has been moving to the left over the past few years. Most people over here though would describe you as being on the 'extreme right'. I have met Americans who have been surprised that I regard them as right wing, they say they are thought of as centre or even liberal back home. Certainly though in supporting Sharon you are supporting fascism.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: mm.]
    #531182 - 01/25/02 06:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Funny that you quote my hero Thomas Paine. He's generally considered quite the righty-libertarian.

BTW, am not a supporter of Sharon specifically, but I certainly am a supporter of secular democracy. I would not run Israel the way it currently is, but it is infinitely preferrable to the theocratic, authoritarian regimes that all her neighbors have. Some 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs, and enjoy the full rights and privileges of citizenship. The same cannot be said of any of her neighbors.

This is basically why also support India, which obviously has major problems, but is a stable democracy and it trying hard to overcome.

Palestinians certainly have some legitimate greivances, but that is not the same thing as being justified in their actions (specifically of Hamas, Fatah, the PA). Israel has been willing to come to some sort of coexistence with Palestine, but Palestinine at large still calls for the complete destruction of Israel. That is not a position that one can compromise with.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: nugsarenice]
    #531843 - 01/26/02 11:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Asking who would replace sharon should he be indicted is a moot point. There's no way in hell America will let him be indicted. I think the case in Belgium is already fizzled out under US pressure.


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    #533119 - 01/27/02 05:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: Anonymous]
    #533152 - 01/27/02 06:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

bigidiot writes:

"Ariel Sharon and likeminded Israelis have been doing the same thing to Palestinians that the Nazis did to Jews during the holocaust."

Bullshit. Utter tripe. Outrageous exaggeration. Not even close.

What the Nazis did to the Jews is so far beyond what is taking place in the Middle East today that only someone with absolutely no knowledge of the Holocaust would make a statement like that.

It can be argued that the way the Israelis are dealing with Palestinian terrorists is incorrect. But to call it (by implication) genocide is absurd.

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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: Anonymous]
    #533156 - 01/27/02 06:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Why are you all hating on Sharone? Someone attacks his homeland and he does the most appropriate thing which is to respond with great violence and kill with extreme prejudice. Sharone is the man, everytime the palestinians bomb Isreal they seem to get theirs, plus Isreal seems to be keeping their land and is being smart and not giving up stratigiaclly(sp) important pieces of land.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: ncshroomer]
    #533222 - 01/27/02 07:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A Hamas suicide bomber isn't an attack
by Palestine.

It's crazy right now. Sharon in keeping
Yasser Arafat under virtual house arrest
and driving their tanks in and out and
shooting rock-throwers in the head, and
he expects Arafat to stop the radical
groups in his country.

Sharon: "When you guys stop hating us
we'll stop shooting your children."

And then there's the arms shipment. And
Bush saying he might sever any diplomatic
ties with Arafat. It's insane.

It's a conflict between two primitive tribes
who should be allowed to annihilate each
other without the help of the outside world.

It's kind of like India versus Pakistan now.
India can demand that Pakistan round up
their "Islamic militants." And India would
be given the blessing of the outside world
to bomb Karachi and Islamabad right now
if it wasn't for the fact that America needed
Pakistan. And maybe the nuclear thing.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: bivalve]
    #533255 - 01/27/02 08:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well I would drive my track over rioting rock throwers to if they were posing a threat.
If they were hating me and my countryman and blowing us up, I'd kill their children too.
Seems to me he's in the right on all this.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: ncshroomer]
    #533279 - 01/27/02 09:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Our government expects Arafat to stop violence , and illegal possesion of guns. Otherwise severing connections. Arafat might as well reply that he wants to sever relations with us for not being able to comply with u.n. regulations with consumption of drugs. He might as well assume that Bush is behind the drug trade and supports it, if he cannot stop it. Public are like cows, they just need to be herded, where to they do not care, as long as they eat.


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: mm.]
    #557615 - 02/20/02 06:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: Phred]
    #557657 - 02/20/02 06:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

If shooting every arab kid in the head for throwing rocks at tanks is not genocide, what is?


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: PGF]
    #557688 - 02/20/02 07:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I recently heard that groups of israili soldiers were submitting letters of resignation, from the military. They said that the actions that the israili gov't asked them to commit are considered war crimes in their mind. Some have been improsined. If anyone else has heard any more of this, please reply...
If only stories like this were on television!


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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: nugsarenice]
    #557696 - 02/20/02 07:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I just read your name the way it is spelled for the first time. I've been reading it as nugarscience......weird.

I have not heard anything about that, but it would not surprise me at all. What those men do is disgusting and they are not soldiers, in my mind. They are baby killers.


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Genocide [Re: PGF]
    #557745 - 02/20/02 08:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

PGF writes:

"If shooting every arab kid in the head for throwing rocks at tanks is not genocide, what is?"

Shooting EVERY arab in the head would be genocide.

Merriam Webster says:

genocide: the systematic and deliberate extinction of a race or tribe

Clearly, the Israelis are not engaged in genocide. Clearly the Nazis were.

It can be argued that the Israelis are over-reacting to Palestinian fighters who are armed with more primitive weapons than Israeli soldiers are. It can be argued that the Israeli settlements should be removed. It can be argued that Israel has no right to exist as a nation, and that all Israeli Jews must leave Israel and find someplace else to live.

But it cannot be argued that the Israelis are committing genocide.

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Re: Ariel Sharon (cartoon) [Re: PGF]
    #557750 - 02/20/02 08:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I tell this story to every person I know who is part of the american armed forces. It gives them hope of a path that can be achieved by all. If every soldiers says killing is a war crime, then there will be no war except world leader duels. We can all vote on which weapons they can use, and for what prize!


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