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Israel plans Palestinian border changes
    #5276298 - 02/08/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Regardless of your position on the issue does anyone seriously think these plans could in any way help to find peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians?

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Israel unveils plan to encircle Palestinian state

? Olmert says he will keep control of Jordan valley
? Pullouts likely as acting PM follows Sharon's vision

Chris McGreal, Jerusalem
Wednesday February 8, 2006

The acting Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said yesterday that he plans to annex the Jordan Valley and major Jewish settlement blocks to Israel in drawing new borders, according to a television station that recorded an interview with him yesterday.

In Mr Olmert's first policy statement since he succeeded Ariel Sharon last month, Channel 2 television said that he made clear he intends to carry through his predecessor's vision of creating an emasculated Palestinian state on Israel's terms.

If the Jewish state were to annex all of the Jordan Valley, which is dotted with small settlements, it would leave a future Palestinian state on the West Bank entirely surrounded by Israel and without a direct link to neighbouring countries.

The interview was to be broadcast late last night. Channel 2's political affairs reporter, Nissim Mishal, told Army radio that Mr Olmert, who is favourite to win next month's general election, also plans further unilateral withdrawals similar to the settler pullout from Gaza last summer.

"He talked about Israel having to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of Israel, meaning that we have to create a new border, what is called final borders. He knows that we can't negotiate with Hamas. So the only conclusion that can be derived from this is that, in order to reach final borders, Israel will have to carry out additional [unilateral] withdrawals," said Mishal.

Mr Olmert said he intends to annex the three main settlement blocks of Ariel, Gush Etzion and Maale Adumim as well as the Jordan Valley, the TV station said. The pressure group Peace Now estimates 185,000 of the 244,000 Israelis in the West Bank outside Jerusalem are resident in the settlements Mr Olmert wants to keep within Israel's border.

That would mean removing about 60,000 settlers, many more than were forced out of Gaza. On Monday the defence minister, Shaul Mofaz, said the government was considering unilaterally imposing the borders of a Palestinian state.

"If we won't be able to reach agreed-upon borders, we will operate in a different way, which it is not appropriate to detail now ... we don't need to wait for someone else to impose our fate," he said. "In the coming years, and I'm talking about a few years, the final borders of the state of Israel will be set down, and the future of most of the settlements in [the West Bank] and the Jordan Valley will be decided in these two years."

Yesterday Mr Mofaz said Israel would keep targeting Palestinian armed groups, hours before an air strike killed two men in Gaza said by the army to be al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades members responsible for firing rockets into Israel.

Israel has killed nine Palestinians this week, mostly Islamic Jihad and al-Aqsa members, in response to rocket attacks, one of which injured a baby. The army also killed an Islamic Jihad activist in Nablus yesterday. Buildings in Israel were damaged yesterday by rockets from Gaza. The army struck a bridge and shelled roads to try to stop rockets being moved to launch sites.


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: GazzBut]
    #5277541 - 02/08/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I kinda think that the Palestinean government wants Israeli border changes as well. Perhaps their western border being the Med sea...


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: GazzBut]
    #5277653 - 02/08/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Regardless of your position on the issue does anyone seriously think these plans could in any way help to find peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians?



Not a chance. Israel must completely withdraw from both territories entirely.


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: bukkake]
    #5277763 - 02/08/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Do you really think that to have Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization by many nations, as the government, instills peace?

Why does none of the Arab nations help these refugees?

Answer: They could give a rats ass about the Palestinians.

Why should the Jews?

If one were to look at history, Jordon actually kicked them out.....


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5278694 - 02/08/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

peace cannot be obtained through a wall. if anything, it drives a stake right through the heart of peace.

but even with the wall down though, however, i think violence may actually escalate due to nothing seperating them from their enemies.


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: lysergicide]
    #5278801 - 02/08/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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however, i think violence may actually escalate due to nothing seperating them from their enemies




ya think?


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5282322 - 02/09/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you really think that to have Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization by many nations, as the government, instills peace?

Why does none of the Arab nations help these refugees?

Answer: They could give a rats ass about the Palestinians.

Why should the Jews?

If one were to look at history, Jordon actually kicked them out.....




What I actually asked was, regardless of your position do you think this one, isolated incident, is a positive move in terms of the peace process.


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: GazzBut]
    #5282425 - 02/09/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Funny how nobody overthere has ever had enough. They are all full of greed, and jealusy, it is no wonder that war refuses to leave the area.


read the Einstein quote in my sig. peace

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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: blaze2]
    #5282439 - 02/09/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there needs to be more inter breedin for there to be peaqce


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5284368 - 02/10/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Recent Israeli marriage laws require that if an Israeli citizen and Palestinian marry, the Palestinian is not granted Israeli citizenship or allowed to reside in Israel. The couple must leave Israel or live apart.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3152651.stm


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Re: Israel plans Palestinian border changes [Re: GazzBut]
    #5286333 - 02/10/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
What I actually asked was, regardless of your position do you think this one, isolated incident, is a positive move in terms of the peace process.




Not with the timing where it is now, no. I don't think Hamas will respond positively.


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