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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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How do Jews settle the generational curse so earn the right to exist.

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
shivas.wisdom said:
After spending time in the West Bank, was your major takeaway "I want Hamas removed just as much for the safety of Israelis as I do for the freedom of Palestinians"




You didn't answer yet, but I'm going to explain why your talk here of "tragedy" and "love" comes across as disingenuous.

First, you come here asking people to empathize with Israelis because they can be kind and caring with their friends and families -- Hitler also famously loved dogs, but that has no bearing on his genocide -- abusers can be kind to people other than their victims, and fascists can care about their families while carrying out a genocide.

I tried to press you on how your genocide denial is the issue here -- and how empathy you can display towards other people and groups doesn't take away from the lack of empathy you consistently display towards Palestinians. I asked you to clarify your opinion regarding Israel's genocide, but you didn't want to "say the line" so we moved on.

Next, I asked you to extend the empathy you ask for Israelis, towards Palestinians too -- specifically, I asked about the West Bank -- and yes, on the surface level your response was kind and caring -- but you chose to focus on "removing Hamas" without a single mention to how the Israeli military and settler paramilitaries are the biggest threat to the safety and freedom of Palestinians in the West Bank -- it's impossible to spend time in the West Bank without this being glaringly obvious, so why do you not mention it at all?

You talk about not wanting to "say the line" when it comes to acknowledging the genocide you are currently benefiting from -- but you're more than willing to say the line of 'do you condemm Hamas?' even when it's irrelevant to the violence happening in the West Bank right now.

So you don't acknowledge the genocide, you don't acknowledge the violence of the IDF and settlers, you don't acknowledge the government-led campaigns of apartheid and ethnic cleansing -- you just say the line "I want Hamas removed" -- and this is why your attempt to display empathy towards Palestinians mostly just reveals a massive blindspot.

Hamas may provide an excuse for Gaza, but it doesn't work for the West Bank -- similarly, Hezbollah may provide an excuse for Lebanon, but there's nothing for Syria. There's so much evidence, from the published rhetoric of Israeli citizens to the explicit political actions of your democratic leaders to the long list of war crimes committed by your military -- if you truly are the empathetic person you come across as in other topics, eventually you will have to grapple with your genocide



:justastonishing:

Well said. Honestly, this post is so good.

Yes, Hamas has nothing to do with the West bank, and my thought as well, is that Hamas is the reason settlers wouldn't go into Gaza, but terrorize the West Bank.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: durian_2008] * 2
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If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: farmer88]
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farmer88 said:
If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.



Well, not only that... before the genocide, there was apartheid for over 50 years.. it truly is an awful state of affairs. I don't necessarily blame older generations for not seeing or understanding what was going on there, but...

Now that Israel has gone full mask-off... There really is no excuse to support them any longer. Israel is a Fascist, theocratic ethnostate, and until there are some very deep fundamental changes to the underlying social structure, nothing good will come of the situation there.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: farmer88] * 2
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farmer88 said:
If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.



farmer88 said:
If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Till 2001, I was on the Israeli side, their right to exist and all that. Now I'm not. One failed genocide does not justify another. Israeli government are a bunch of loony murdering heartless scheming cunts. Bit like Americans really.



Nah you can oppose Israeli apartheid and Zionism without doing the “they deserved two millennia of pogroms” shit.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: The Ecstatic]
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And it happens again.

enlil deleting posts that don't conform to the script. This place is controlled by Israel.

Reminds me why I fucked off for 9 years, but I made the mistake of coming back.

Bye bye cunts.

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: farmer88] * 4
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See ya in 9 years!

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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He will be sorely missed


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: farmer88] * 1
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farmer88 said:
And it happens again.

enlil deleting posts that don't conform to the script. This place is controlled by Israel.

Reminds me why I fucked off for 9 years, but I made the mistake of coming back.

Bye bye cunts.



You better have been born in 1988


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: farmer88]
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farmer88 said:
If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.

Bit like Americans really.



I dont think he was saying anyone deserved anything with that.

Just like, if you think everything is always a problem at some point you have to wonder if maybe you're the problem. Or something like that.

At this point I'm really doubting they have enough awareness for the self reflection to find the basic humanity to think, AITAH?

Combine some scriptures with a side of exceptionalism and a whole heap of greed and ego, that just isn't even a thing anymore.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
farmer88 said:
And it happens again.

enlil deleting posts that don't conform to the script. This place is controlled by Israel.

Reminds me why I fucked off for 9 years, but I made the mistake of coming back.

Bye bye cunts.



You better have been born in 1988



We were all born in 88... :lol:


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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He's saying that there is a more nefarious meaning behind the 8th letter repeated

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: farmer88]
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farmer88 said:
If you have been persecuted for 2000 years, you would have to start to think that maybe you are doing something wrong.




I usually don't consider myself a victim of anything. :shrug:

But, does this same logic apply to all unpopular minorities, in general?

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
I understand that Netanyahu (I hate the name "Bibi" for a bloodthirsty, mass-murdering warmonger, honestly)...



100%

Imagine someone back in 1940s Germany referring to Dolphi in a discussion about the violence of Nazi ideology


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
You're going to believe what you believe and facts won't ever change that.  I didn't post that for you anyway.  I posted that for the rational thinkers who might be swayed by your bullshit.



My post was rational.
I pointed out where CNN themselves cleverly pointed out all the holes in the report.
I also pointed out that 10 people did not give accounts of being raped, as you seemed to allude to.
If you’d taken any notice, the person who wrote the report previously reported false claims.
As well, I understand that rape claims alone MAY be enough to sway a jury into a conviction, as far as I’m aware this hasn’t happened.
Hamas’s goal was to take hostages and kill Israeli soldiers, this goal simply does not align with the rape/gang rape claims.
Many hostages detailed being treated fairly, whilst also being terrified, and under duress when released.
Your post was ordinary and your response was poor, you addressed none of the points I raised and I can raise plenty more if you like, but maybe this subject just isn’t your thing?

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
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I want the promised Zion to come.

An Israel ruled by Godliness that leads by example and which inspires the surrounding nations so positively that they concur with it. The Zion of Godly Peace ushering in a golden age for the world.

Bibi’s secular, militaristic, genocidal ethno state Israel could not be further from the true Zion - its a travesty of the true Zion, and because Zion lies in the future, it can only mean that the current wrongful Israel must fall.

Either it renews itself from within or it will literally be militarily defeated.

This is a position shared by a number of Rabbi’s.

Calling the current Israel “Zion” does not vibe with everything Zion would be.

God is not happy with the current state of affairs to put it very mildly.


ChatGPT, define the Scriptural Zion without commenting politically on the current regime:

Scriptural Zion is portrayed as a holy dwelling of God, characterized by righteousness, peace, justice, and the nearness of the Divine: a place where God’s presence is established, where people live in faithfulness and mutual care, where oppression and violence give way to security, where the poor and vulnerable are protected, and where abundance and restoration replace deprivation; it is associated with joy, worship, truth, healing, and reconciliation, with peoples being drawn toward God’s light rather than compelled by force, and with creation itself experiencing renewal and flourishing.



Could. Not. Be. More. Different.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
I want the promised Zion to come.

An Israel ruled by Godliness that leads by example and which inspires the surrounding nations so positively that they concur with it. The Zion of Godly Peace ushering in a golden age for the world.

Bibi’s secular, militaristic, genocidal ethnographic state Israel could not be further from the true Zion - its a travesty of the true Zion, and because Zion lies in the future, it can only mean that the current wrongful Israel must fall.

Either it renews itself from within or it will literally be militarily defeated.

This is a position shared by a number of Rabbi’s.

Calling the current Israel “Zion” does not vibe with everything Zion would be.

God is not happy with the current state of affairs to put it very mildly.



I disagree nothing is closer to zion then purity.  Nothing gets closer to purity then genocide.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
ChatGPT, define the Scriptural Zion without commenting politically on the current regime:

Scriptural Zion is portrayed as a holy dwelling of God, characterized by righteousness, peace, justice, and the nearness of the Divine: a place where God’s presence is established, where people live in faithfulness and mutual care, where oppression and violence give way to security, where the poor and vulnerable are protected, and where abundance and restoration replace deprivation; it is associated with joy, worship, truth, healing, and reconciliation, with peoples being drawn toward God’s light rather than compelled by force, and with creation itself experiencing renewal and flourishing.



Could. Not. Be. More. Different.




No, genocide is not Purity at all.


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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Asante]
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⚠️ Feed the trolls at your own risk. ⚠️

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Re: Israeli Fascism [Re: Stable Genius]
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Cue the Noahide Laws.

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