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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065518 - 11/02/03 05:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So much controversy in the air; people demanding what their positions on the subject are, etc. I knew a few people would attempt to hand my ass to me when I posted this. As for the source on the article, it's currently on the headlines at Anti-War from the Sunday Herald ( http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707 ). Much of the point of the 'Israeli Conspiracy' is that if they (Ultra-Right Israelis/Mossad/et cet era.) have the means of doing it, why not? Afterall, the Hebron massacre showed that self-sacrifice isn't entirely confined to Islamic militants. It seems few people understand why a large number of Muslims believe Israel was behind the 9/11 attack, perhaps this article might help. I don't even think the site that ran it, Anti War personally believes it as true. As for my personal feelings on the subject, I do believe Muslim fundamentalists carried out the attack - otherwise, why would Osama bin Laden gloat about the attack if he knew his jihadist network was being used as a pawn - of course, some will argue that the smoking gun wasn't smoking at all, which begs the question why a completely new screen was used for the translation. :wink: As for Israelis being connected to 9/11, it's not entirely "out there" - such an attack did benefit people inside Israel and inside the United States. However, few people seem to be that passionate about injustice as Muslims do. 


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065521 - 11/02/03 05:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Argumentative? I guess you didnt even read yer own posts.

.. Have at it. Im done with this thread.

RIP

Argument
A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.
A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.
A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion from the others.

Argumentative
1. Consisting of, or characterized by, argument; containing a process of reasoning; as, an argumentative discourse.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Zahid]
    #2065525 - 11/02/03 05:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well said,

Great avitar.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065551 - 11/02/03 06:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting info on the WTC. Nice find.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2065552 - 11/02/03 06:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

PsiloKitten said:
Argumentative?  I guess you didnt even read yer own posts.

.. Have at it.  Im done with this thread.

RIP 




Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me psilo.

I admitted I'm argumentative. I even explained why. I'm in a political forum for pete's sake. Politics and religion cause arguments.

Sorry you can't stay for more, you've been quite helpful to this discussion.

But now, I'm afraid you haven't been reading this thread.

I don't know Edame, we'd never met until today. I've only been at this website for a month. All I knew is what Edame posted in this thread. I got to know him/her one post at a time.

Edame knows this. Frankly, psilo, Edame was doing a great job of making his/her point... it just took a while.

To imply that Silversoul7 and I haven't read this thread was rude and without merit. You offered no proof, just a blanket coment. That you ran away after making this accusation makes me sad. At least stand up for what you say.

Please (re-)read my posts to you. I was surprised you reacted the way you did. I was just having fun. I even gave you emoticons :frown: :blush: :crazy: :shocked: :confused: :wink: :lipsrsealed: :kiss: :shake: :eek: :sad: :mad2: :razz: :devil: :nonono:


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065576 - 11/02/03 06:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I just dont get it,

can you not read what I said?

It just took awhile for him to make his point?

HE MADE IT IN THE SECOND POST HE MADE IN THIS THREAD.

Maybe it took you awhile to understand his point, but I was trying to nicely tell you to step back from your emotions and read what the man had said and continued to say, over and over again.

Im not coming at you with anger or any backlash, I was trying to help you out because I frankly thought you were starting to sound like someone who just wanted to argue, didnt matter that there was no arguement to be had. I think that you are an intelligent guy and I like reading your posts, I have no problem with you. I have no problem with the points you made. I AGREE WITH YOU. But, you went off on a huge tangent of emotion and excuse me for having an opinion, but I thought it could be better used arguing with someone who was arguing back.



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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2065601 - 11/02/03 06:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

*HE MADE IT IN THE SECOND POST HE MADE IN THIS THREAD.

Yes he did, but as I have already said: Edame's FIRST post lead me to believe he/she was saying something different in following posts.

It took me a while to come around but I did. And yet... you're still defending Edame. You are preaching to the choir psylokitten.

*Maybe it took you awhile to understand his point, but I was trying to nicely tell you to step back from your emotions and read what the man had said and continued to say, over and over again.

I responded immediately to your first post and admitted I may have been a little overzealous.

I apologize but, until you witness the deaths of 3000 people with your own eyes, don't begin to understand why I'm sometmes a little thick headed when it comes to this topic.

Edame posted a link to help Zahid's first post. That tainted my views of Edame's arguments for a while. I don't know how many times I need to say this.

Really, psilo, Edame should be fighting this fight... not you.

Moderators are here for a reason as well. PM a mod if you fear this thread is turning into a flame fest. They'll lock it up if they think it is.

I don't think this thread needs to be locked.

Get it now?


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065635 - 11/02/03 06:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Group hug guys!  :lol: :heartpump:

Cervantes, I posted the link for Zahid because I thought he might find it useful or interesting, that's all.  :smile:


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Edame]
    #2065638 - 11/02/03 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, and several hours later, I got it. :blush:

(Cervantes hugs back)

Sorry for the confusion.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065668 - 11/02/03 06:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I never said this thread was turning into a flame fest or I wanted it locked. I never even said anything like that.

Im not defending Edame. I was simply saying as you said in this post that you were preaching to the choir , in what I thought was a nicer way. This is a public forum, Im not fighting a fight, just giving an opinion. I acknowledge that you acknowledge your arguments were tainted, but it kept going on beyond that. Please see your first sentence of post #2065414.

Im not against you, Cervantes. Honestly, I was trying to help you. If you feel that is misguided, so be it. You responded about it being a slow day and taking yer arguements where you could get them. It seemed like you needed to vent, there are alot of people you could vent your frustration on that would take the arguement at freerepublic. I wasnt banishing you there, I was suggesting an actual outlet.

I can understand your emotion. I didnt see it, but I knew people (read multiple) that died when the WTC fell. I cant completely understand your emotion as an individual with a life time of opinions and experiences, I just felt that the emotion was fueling it, not anyone's statements.

Im sorry if it came off as me taking sides or defending someone.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2065694 - 11/02/03 07:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I know psilo...

(Cervantes lights a peace pipe... puff, puff... puff... passes it to Psilo)

.... better?

I am.

I knew people who died there too... and I have several close friends who live in Israel.

This thread, upset me like no thread I have encountered here at The Shroomery. I barely made it through Zahid's first post.

Get this little gem of info... On Sept 10, I told a couple of tourists (we were on the Brooklyn Bridge at the time... really) that they HAD to go to the top of the WTC before they left town. I realy hope they didn't take my advice.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065894 - 11/02/03 08:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Cervantes writes:

I have trouble blaming anybody but the fuckers that hijacked those planes (It is ok for me to flame hijackers isn't it?).

Yep. You may also flame politicians, lawyers, environmentalists, pro-life organizations and their leaders, pro-choice organizations and their leaders, PNAC, the ACLU, religions of all flavors, Zionists, Islamists, political pundits, Noam Chomsky, Ayn Rand, journalists, newspapers, judges, Karl Marx, Immanuel Kant, Hollywood personalities, talk show hosts, racial bigots, affirmative action, socialism, capitalism, communism, anarchy, rationalism, emotionalism, unions, teachers, universities, corporations, advertising, SUVs, and more.

But you can't flame those who post here, no matter how tempting it may be on occasion. The idea is to respond to what the person says, not what you perceive the person's character flaws to be. Dissect, analyze, rebut (whatever) the message, not the messenger.

Lysergic had a hard time adhering to the above rules, therefore he won't be seen here till the end of the week.

It seems that for whatever reason, people in the last 24 hours have allowed themselves to worry too much about the personality of those with whom they are communicating rather than the quality of the ideas and information being communicated. I trust this is just a temporary thing.

This forum will not become another OTD. Both Rono and I are generally reluctant to even lock a thread, let alone recommend a ban to the admin team, because we realize people tend to be passionate about their opinions. It would, however, be an error for anyone to confuse reluctance with inability.

The above message applies to all here. It was not directed at you, Cervantes -- your comment on "flaming" terrorists just gave me a good opening.

pinky


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Phred]
    #2065925 - 11/02/03 08:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure it is pissy biorhythms on a global scale...

...but since it is still ok to flame Ann Rand...

I'm stoked.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2065968 - 11/02/03 08:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, now you are really asking for it. :eek:

Ayn Rand is my hero. Im dead serious.

You wanna roshambo over it?  Ill go first.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2065978 - 11/02/03 08:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book.

I chose scissors.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2066017 - 11/02/03 09:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No way! Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book. Dagny Taggart is a goddess. As a man, do you more relate to Francisco, John or Hank?

Roshambo is not the same thing as paper, scissors, rock.

I learned it by watching South Park.. see, first, I run at you and kick you really hard in the lil buddies and then, you get to run at me and kick me. It doesnt usually make it to the reciprocal turn tho, that is what I wanted to go first.

Fine, Ill take rock.


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2066029 - 11/02/03 09:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My first pipe was named Francisco, 'cause of my favorite character, and where I bought it. Haight Street, San Francisco.



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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Rose]
    #2066051 - 11/02/03 09:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My first bong was named Dagny because it was leggy and beautiful with a redheaded bowl and swirl. :smile:  I also bought it on Haight Street, in SF.

How funny.

I knew you were a Frisco, that's why I said it first :smile:


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2066060 - 11/02/03 09:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"I swear -- by my life and my love of it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"


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Re: 9/11 ? The Israeli Connection [Re: Phred]
    #2066070 - 11/02/03 09:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It's a great quote, and I bet since Im a liberal, you will think this is hypocrisy, but it is a huge tenent of my life.



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