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Israeli/Palestinian Solution
    #1514418 - 05/02/03 11:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

This is part of my final exam, object is to discuss issues of the crisis, and a working solution. This is just a semi-rough draft ... you can catch the ideas though ... any feedback is welcome!

The rallying cry used in the early stages of Zionism brings to bear the essential conflict between Israel and Palestine. The slogan proposed that the lands of Palestine are ?? a land without people, for a people without land ...? despite the fact these lands were already a richly populated state. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed after the First World War, the lands of Palestine came under the mandate of the British Empire. To garner support against the Ottoman Empire, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration stating that Britain would endorse the ambitions of the Zionists as reparation for their support. However, the Brits had also made a similar agreement in the ?Something note, letter?, to the indigenous people of Palestine.
It seems that there are many different sides to the metaphorical? coin of Palestine, for even the contend the contrary in that Palestinians hold no valid claim to the holy lands, as they were simply a province of the Ottoman Empire.

Coins of Israel
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Bring out direct/indirect colonization ? if one takes the example of India, and Algeria, and then Palestine, one can see increasing degrees of violence to which the occupied resorted, too. India = British let Indians into government jobs, had only a few incidents of massacre, Sepoy, etc ? Algeria = French forced their ideals upon the Algerians, seen as the New France ? Israel = total annihilation of indigenous people.
In 20?s settlers and natives have good relationship. If it is so true that the differences of Palestinians and Israelis are not religious, Israelis and Palestinians can within a society of religious tolerance.
As was once decreed in the United Resolution 242 is to Israel gives back the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Sinai Peninsula to Palestinians.
Israel has the resources and capital to control the citrus, and textile?, industries located on the major port cites of ?. Palestinians, as they make of ?% the Israeli labor force, have the means to work for these companies. This could provide the Palestinian states the resource to develop their lands in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, thus decreasing the economic disparities between relations between Israeli and Palestinian people. Palestine would have control over its own ?destiny?. No longer under the thumb of Zionism.
Money made from taxes is under the control of Palestinian state, which will distribute accordingly.
Establish representatives for both sides? Or shall speak for the voice of many?
Breaking of Geneva Conventions ? stop collective punishment in the which the families of suspected criminals have their homes destroyed. Rights and due process for all those in judicial system.
Israel as a colonial outpost ? decrease American support.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1515790 - 05/02/03 09:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

ill fight until i die


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: arabmobster]
    #1515795 - 05/02/03 09:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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ill fight until i die



Unfortunately, too many people on both sides of this conflict have your attitude.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: silversoul7]
    #1515894 - 05/02/03 10:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yep. haha... look at arabmobster's profile... one of his hobbies is suicide bombing... how's that working out for you mobster?


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    #1515930 - 05/02/03 10:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Can someone please explain (with no bias) the whole israel/palestine thing?? I learnt it in history class (but i was always stonned/didnt care about it then (stupid)...)....can someone just give a quick overview of the situation??


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: arabmobster]
    #1516025 - 05/02/03 11:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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ill fight until i die




Brother, you are not helping the Palestinian cause; or the struggle to educate others on Islam with your radical approach to the conflict. It is completely useless to fight against Israel - and that is a sad reality. Israel isn't going anywhere, and the mindset of "kill the zionists until they are no more" is unreasonable and just plain ignorant considering the reality of the situation - the reality that Israel is very powerful and is supported by the United States. Already, violence is starting up in the region just days after Mahmoud Abbas was sworn into office.

Yes, the Israelis for God knows how long have been murdering our brothers and sisters, and stealing their land. In fact given everything that has happened to the Palestinians, its quite understandable why some of them choose to resist with force; but all it does is create a bloody circle. Like I said, Israel will exist until the day Allah (swt) rolls up the universe. The Palestinians are not going to "drive the jews into the sea"; hell, a coalition of Arab nations couldn't even do it. Right now we need to accept Israel is here; there are millions of people living there and the state is armed to the teeth. It's an illegal state, but it exists in stone. The late Egyptian President Sadat is a good example of a road to peace.

Salaam.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Zahid]
    #1516043 - 05/02/03 11:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Arafat should have taken the deal he was offered by Barok back in the early 90's.

Plus America, Israel, The UK, and possibly Germany should chip in for massive reconstruction of the region.

If the Palestinians could stop being such freak ass monkey people for a couple decades, they could have themselves a nice little country over there.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516181 - 05/03/03 12:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516417 - 05/03/03 02:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Mahmoud Abbas is running the show.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Zahid]
    #1517020 - 05/03/03 06:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

An impressivly realistic attitude.

Kudo's.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1517043 - 05/03/03 07:18 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Israel gets 3 bil;lion from the US every year and alot of that goes back to America in the form of weapons  buying !!


anyway I find it funny when people talk about 2 sides to this issue
Yes I realize there are 2 "peoples" but Isreal is the country with the strong army , Israel is the one taking land , their government is Zionist which real JEWS are NOT by the way!!!(www.jewsnotzionists.org)

What did the "settlers" say the other day when the "road map to peace was annonced " they said they will not go along with giving ANY! land and will expand!!

up until know they have been doing just that I HOPE this is the year things change HOWEVER Ariel Sharon is for one thing a war criminal !!!! http://www.indictsharon.net/
http://www.petitiononline.com/warcrime/petition.html
http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/x0217ac.htm
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I DO NOT however think that killing Israeli civilians  is good thing
HOWEVER I liked the video on the news about a week or 2 back about the Israeli tank being blown up

WHY wouldnt I??? :grin: 


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1517418 - 05/03/03 01:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Isreal is the country with the strong army , Israel is the one taking land

What did the "settlers" say the other day when the "road map to peace was annonced " they said they will not go along with giving ANY! land and will expand!!





After War of 1967 The Golan Heights were taken from Syria, b/c Syria was bombing Israel from the Golan Heights prior to the war. After Syria was defeated, Israel had no reason to give back this land.

According to UN Resolution 181, Palestine was partitioned into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. The Jewish community of Palestine accepted partition despite the small size and strategic vulnerability of the proposed state. Palestine had Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem, most of the Galilee in the North, and parts of the Negev desert in the South. Yet Israel was attacked on all sides in 1967, and the loser lost land as a result.

Jewish terrorism in Palestine antagonized the British, and by February 1947 Arab-Jewish communications had collapsed. Britain was eager to rid their mandate of Palestine requesting on April 2, 1947, that the U.N. General Assembly set up the Special Committee on Palestine. This committee recommended that the British mandate over Palestine be ended and that the territory be partitioned into two states. This was passes and became known as Reolution 181.

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Zionist which real JEWS are NOT by the way



The bible must be obsolete then. I hear my rabbi refer to Jews as Zionists in Synagog.

http://www.palestinefacts.org

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I DO NOT however think that killing Israeli civilians is good thing
HOWEVER I liked the video on the news about a week or 2 back about the Israeli tank being blown up




Has it ever occured to you that THE MEDIA IS BIAS AND SHOWS YOU SHIT THAT YOUR ANTI-ISRAEL ASS WANTS TO HEAR???? For example: When a suicide bombing occurs and shrap metal maims or kills its victims WHICH ARE MOST OF THE TIME INNOCENT CIVILIANS. Is it wrong for these extremists to be doing this??? Then right after this attack occurs, Israel finds out who the Bomber's family is and goes to kill them. Is this wrong??? It's like Fuck with us and we'll come kill your family! A great motive to try n stop these bombings huh? There was another instance that comes to mind when there was a Palestinian extremist refuge was RIGHT NEXT TO a children's hospital. There's endless examples of how media makes "Useful Idiots" of use of ppl around the world.

You say Sharon is a war criminal... I say he's putting his foot down and not being a fucking pussy to the extremists and Arafat's bitch ass. All this fighting WOULD STOP if the muslim extremists STOP.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1517579 - 05/03/03 02:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There ya go Cracka. Using all that profanity you learned last year in second grade will surely make everyone feel your side of the argument...Kudos...


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1517863 - 05/03/03 06:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well of course. I can't stand the ppl who think it's all Israel's fault.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1518368 - 05/03/03 11:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The entire world is responsible for the plight of the Palestinians. Who is defending their interests? If you think suicide bombing is barbaric and therefore the Palestinians deserve to fester in refugee camps, then let's give THEM 3 billion dollars so we can make this a fair fight. That'll solve your suicide bombing ... shit, the Pals wouldn't even have to use their weaponry ... Israel would just back off.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1518454 - 05/04/03 12:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

People love an underdog, and therefore, theres always going to be sympathy for the Palestinians. Not to say they dont have a valid grievence, I identify much more with them than I do with Israel.

Israel, in my opinion, is unwilling to make the concessions that would guarantee peace. Thats what you get when you revolve your entire country around religion. Which all you Bush-Ites out there are going to have on your hands in a few years...


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1518559 - 05/04/03 01:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Why would you give the Palestinians more money??? They?re the ones invoking the violence. Israel is reacting and fed up with their bullshit.

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Israel, in my opinion, is unwilling to make the concessions that would guarantee peace.



You?re wrong... The Palestinians believe that all of Israel belongs to them. JUST recently, Sharon gave land to the Palestinians and Arafat said it?d bring more peace. AND BOOM here?s another suicide attack.

Here?s some food for thought


I don?t sympathize the Palestinians one bit. They?re dirty rotten scoundrels(the Muslim extremists). And you say that giving land would bring peace. WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP ABOVE, If Rabin weren?t assassinated and all that land were given away then that would cut Israel in half making it even more vulnerable to attack. Sharon?s approach is much more realistic, but that?s beside the fact. There?d be peace if the muslim extremists stopped their shit. Easy as that.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1518574 - 05/04/03 01:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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You're wrong... The Palestinians believe that all of Israel belongs to them.



Well, technically, they did own it before it was taken from them.

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I don't sympathize the Palestinians one bit. They're dirty rotten scoundrels(the Muslim extremists).



How convenient of you to pass judgement on an entire race of people, racist.

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And you say that giving land would bring peace. WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP ABOVE, If Rabin weren't assassinated and all that land were given away then that would cut Israel in half making it even more vulnerable to attack.



Maybe so, but there'd be less reason for the Palestinians to attack.


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: silversoul7]
    #1518800 - 05/04/03 03:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, technically, they did own it before it was taken from them.



It was a British Mandate where Palestinians and Jews both lived in Palestine. Jews were still persecuted then.
Arab Revolt of 1936-39 where Brit soldiers did little to nothing to try n suppress the rioters while they killed and wounded jews.
The Arab strike ended in October 1936 and a temporary peace between Arabs and Jews prevailed for almost a year. Then, in September 1937, following the July report by the Peel Commission, the violent tactics resumed. Armed Arab terrorism, under the direction of the Higher Committee, was used to attack the Jews and to suppress Arab opponents. This campaign of violence continued through 1938 and then tapered off, ending in early 1939. The toll was terrible: Eighty Jews were murdered by terrorist acts during the labor strike, and a total of 415 Jewish deaths were recorded during the whole 1936-1939 Arab Revolt period.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1936-39.php

This led Britain to let UN to take care of this bullshit so then there became Resolution 181.

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How convenient of you to pass judgement on an entire race of people, racist.



They're dirty rotten scoundrels(the Muslim extremists). Stop making up dirt and stay on the matter at hand. Please, no liberal mud throwing tactics.

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Maybe so, but there'd be less reason for the Palestinians to attack.



You don't get it and prolly never will...

Extremists you mean??? I need to get a map of what Rabin was gonna give to the Palestinians. It was a LOT more than what Barak wanted to give. Don't you see that Israel would have jack shit of land if they gave it away, and for what TEMPORARY peace? That seems to be the case of what has always occured and what has just occured recently.


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Edited by Cracka_X (05/04/03 03:37 AM)


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Re: Israeli/Palestinian Solution [Re: silversoul7]
    #1518805 - 05/04/03 03:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

And its silly to say that if the Palestinians stopped, all would be dandy. Israel is completely un-able to act rationally. They destroy the Palestinian Police, then get angyr when said Police cant stop suicide bombers. They refuse to let Palestinians come into Israel to work, and then get angry when they're unemployed. The bulldoze the homes of innocent families, and then wonder why young men are angry enough to kill themselves, for a measure of revenge...Its all completely crazy, and I dont know that anyone knows a solution.


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