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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15464485 - 12/04/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I think that these children, having grown up in a school system that avoids keeping score and pretends that you can teach self esteem have a bit of trouble dealing with actually, you know, being challenged at all.  Then they get out and it isn't all worship for their ancient bilious bummism.  "I want it therefor I must be given it".




What children are you referring to? Not saying your rant is pointless, just that I can't see the tie-in to the thread...


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: CanadianCronic]
    #15464637 - 12/04/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I can only ascribe things to a confirmation bias.




Are you referring to all of your posts in this thread?


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: CanadianCronic]
    #15464718 - 12/04/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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CanadianCronic said:
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zappaisgod said:
I think that these children, having grown up in a school system that avoids keeping score and pretends that you can teach self esteem have a bit of trouble dealing with actually, you know, being challenged at all.  Then they get out and it isn't all worship for their ancient bilious bummism.  "I want it therefor I must be given it".




What children are you referring to? Not saying your rant is pointless, just that I can't see the tie-in to the thread...




I can't answer that as it would be a bannable personalism.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15464788 - 12/04/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Like I thought on both fronts. I hope the original question has been answered now...


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: CanadianCronic] * 1
    #15745279 - 01/31/12 11:28 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

To whoever thinks that Israeli-occupied territories were "lawfully gained in war" lol




Since 1979 the United Nations Security Council,[66] the United Nations General Assembly,[67] the United States,[68] the EU,[69] the International Court of Justice,[70] and the International Committee of the Red Cross[71] refer to the West Bank as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. General Assembly resolution 58/292 (17 May 2004) affirmed that the Palestinian people have the right to sovereignty over the area.[72]

Supporters of the Israeli right[who?] have argued that since the area has never in modern times been an independent state, there is no legitimate claimant to the area other than the present occupier, Israel. This argument however is not accepted by the international community and international lawmaking bodies, virtually all of whom regard Israel's activities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as an occupation that denies the fundamental principle of self-determination found in the Article One of the United Nations Charter, and in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Further, UN Security Council Resolution 242 notes the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" regardless of whether the war in which the territory was acquired was offensive or defensive. Prominent Israeli human rights organizations such as B'tselem also refer to the Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip as an occupation.[73]John Quigley has noted that "...a state that uses force in self-defense may not retain territory it takes while repelling an attack. If Israel had acted in self-defense, that would not justify its retention of the Gaza Strip and West Bank. Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel's occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel's action were defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not."[74]

International law (Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention) prohibits "transfers of the population of an occupying power to occupied territories", incurring a responsibility on the part of Israel's government to not settle Israeli citizens in the West Bank.[75]

And no zappaworshipper, by maintaining currency,which zionists obviously do (Warburg, Rothschild), they can OBVIOUSLY dictate our foreign policy. I mean, is that seriously not obvious to you? Read what these Harvard political scientists have to say about it...
http://naltikriti.umwblogs.org/2006/04/08/mearsheimerwalt-report/


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: LightShedder]
    #15745523 - 02/01/12 12:40 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Please comply with forum rules when copy pasting someone else's work.

I see you've offered more appeals to incredulity, then dumped a copy paste job, but have not even offered an argument or any indication of what in that block of text was relevant.  Looking over it, I can't see any relevance at all.

If your not just arguing against yourself and whatever straw mans you've come up with in the meantime, it would be more helpful if you'd at least offer a position and justification.

Its pretty telling that those posts opposing Israel seem utterly unable to intelligently communicate a thought, let alone lay out a supported argument.  Hell, as we see here, sometimes they're just irrelevant spam.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: johnm214]
    #15745634 - 02/01/12 01:17 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

What are you talking about Johnm, you can't fucking read or something?
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Further, UN Security Council Resolution 242 notes the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" regardless of whether the war in which the territory was acquired was offensive or defensive.




taht was pretty interesting, especially when one think of lebanon

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Its pretty telling that those posts opposing Israel seem utterly unable to intelligently communicate a thought, let alone lay out a supported argument.  Hell, as we see here, sometimes they're just irrelevant spam.




The last message you just wrote was absolutly fucking arrogant and show you cannot even read more than 5 line .

As always, the pro-israeli abuse the moderator bias on their favor, you have just insulted this man. and i have more than once being banned from the forum a few days, yet you spout arrogant dimwitted bullshit camouflaged under a sophisticated language every single time you open your fucking mouth.

cowards attacking little children = zionist. yes most of our society abuse kids and is a brick in the wall. now before i start waving gun at a jewish school's children's face to see if their backpack is full of dynamite, grow some fucking sense, grow some fucking ball, let the fucking pallies go to university safely and shut your goddamn white/bourgeois/nigger/jewish princesse mouth off and please for fuck sake, come to the conclusion that we are all one, and we have to respect at all cost each other's central nervous system.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: communeart]
    #15746004 - 02/01/12 04:58 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

> cowards attacking little children = zionist.

... and you have the gall to bitch about bias?  You need to smell the shit you are shoveling, 'cause it is just as nasty smelling as the shit you are bitching about.  Both sides, Iran/Syria (wearing Palestinian colors) and Israel are guilty of perpetuating abuses against an innocent population.

> Further, UN Security Council Resolution 242 notes the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" regardless of whether the war in which the territory was acquired was offensive or defensive.
 
You should really read about Resolution 242 before trying to use it to argue a point.  It is a very difficult read, as the document was intentionally (I assume) made very ambiguous.  Sure, things like "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" make a nice sound bite for the lazy, but when you read the context, you will see that it is not so simple.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: Seuss]
    #15746145 - 02/01/12 06:31 AM (12 years, 23 hours ago)

The true mystery (to me anyway) is why you let racist, anti-semite individuals post here when they clearly have demonstrated an inability to control themselves.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #15746157 - 02/01/12 06:42 AM (12 years, 23 hours ago)

> The true mystery (to me anyway) is why you let racist, anti-semite individuals post here when they clearly have demonstrated an inability to control themselves.

Ignorance isn't against forum rules.  Although I dislike racist, anti-semite mentality, I dislike censorship even more.  Just because somebodies opinions are disgusting does not mean they should be denied a platform for expression.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: Seuss]
    #15746184 - 02/01/12 07:04 AM (12 years, 23 hours ago)

Ignorance isn't. I believe racism should be if it isn't already.

I was speaking as much towards the inability to control themselves. Posters like him have made this a rather unpleasant place to be. It's a shame.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #15747134 - 02/01/12 12:24 PM (12 years, 17 hours ago)

Am I the ignorant racist?

Go ahead and try to further clarify the proper context of U.N. Resolution 242.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: LightShedder]
    #15747270 - 02/01/12 01:06 PM (12 years, 16 hours ago)

> Am I the ignorant racist?

I don't know, are you?

> Go ahead and try to further clarify the proper context of U.N. Resolution 242.

As I said previously, the resolution was intentionally written to be ambiguous.  The language used in resolution was intentionally chosen to be non-binding.  The wording is suggestive rather than concrete.  I don't know how you expect somebody to clarify a document that was intentionally ambiguous.  Using snippets of text from the resolution and pretending that the snippets are concrete rather than suggestive is poor form.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: LightShedder]
    #15748333 - 02/01/12 05:52 PM (12 years, 12 hours ago)

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Am I the ignorant racist?






UN?  LOL.  I'm going to repeat what I often point out to ignorant tools who think the Jews control the world currency markets.  If this tiny tiny portion of the population has managed to gain surreptitious control of all the money in the world then maybe you should just bow down to your overlords and submit to their benevolent rule.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #15750040 - 02/02/12 12:13 AM (12 years, 5 hours ago)

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Am I the ignorant racist?






UN?  LOL.  I'm going to repeat what I often point out to ignorant tools who think the Jews control the world currency markets.  If this tiny tiny portion of the population has managed to gain surreptitious control of all the money in the world then maybe you should just bow down to your overlords and submit to their benevolent rule.




They definitely don't have control of world currency markets, but AIPAC has a nice hold on the balls of Congress.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: Seuss]
    #15750057 - 02/02/12 12:18 AM (12 years, 5 hours ago)

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> cowards attacking little children = zionist.

... and you have the gall to bitch about bias?  You need to smell the shit you are shoveling, 'cause it is just as nasty smelling as the shit you are bitching about.  Both sides, Iran/Syria (wearing Palestinian colors) and Israel are guilty of perpetuating abuses against an innocent population.

> Further, UN Security Council Resolution 242 notes the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" regardless of whether the war in which the territory was acquired was offensive or defensive.
 
You should really read about Resolution 242 before trying to use it to argue a point.  It is a very difficult read, as the document was intentionally (I assume) made very ambiguous.  Sure, things like "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" make a nice sound bite for the lazy, but when you read the context, you will see that it is not so simple.





Who the fuck is the UN to tell anyone what is right?  Bunch of globalist cocksuckers.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: LightShedder]
    #15750167 - 02/02/12 01:00 AM (12 years, 5 hours ago)

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What are you talking about Johnm, you can't fucking read or something?






As I described the post for the purposes of detailing its insufficiencies and logical fallacies, it seems difficult see how this question could be asked in good faith.

If there's some merit your able to find in that mess, feel free to point it out.


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Its pretty telling that those posts opposing Israel seem utterly unable to intelligently communicate a thought, let alone lay out a supported argument.  Hell, as we see here, sometimes they're just irrelevant spam.




The last message you just wrote was absolutly fucking arrogant and show you cannot even read more than 5 line .





I see once more you've decided to make personal attacks rather than answer a question you claim is so obvious that it reveals bias to even ask it.  It would be nice if you would make less disohnest arguments and spend the time instead making a case- or explaining the relevance of lightshedder's post, since you claim to have found some.

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As always, the pro-israeli abuse the moderator bias on their favor, you have just insulted this man. and i have more than once being banned from the forum a few days, yet you spout arrogant dimwitted bullshit camouflaged under a sophisticated language every single time you open your fucking mouth.




Great, more conclusions, no facts, no arguments.  If there's some objection here your going to need to identify it and provide a reasonable case for whatever your position is.  So as to stay on topic here, please address further concerns to me via my journal, if you wish for a public discussion.

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Am I the ignorant racist?

Go ahead and try to further clarify the proper context of U.N. Resolution 242.




Seems like your reversing the burden of proof here.  I have no idea what that resolution has to do with anything- you're the one who kinda-sorta referred to it in text it seems you copied from some other author.


How does that resolution answer anything of relevance to this thread? 

Come on, if you can't even take a position on the matter, what is the relevance of your participation in this discussion.


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: johnm214]
    #15751657 - 02/02/12 01:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hey johnm214,

Back-to-back posts!  Time to break out the apostrophe-r-e.

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If there's some merit your able to find in that mess, feel free to point it out.




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Seems like your reversing the burden of proof here.�




I only mention it  because it's a common mistake people make for whom English is their second language, not to be impolite.

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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #15751978 - 02/02/12 02:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I only mention it  because it's a common mistake people make for whom English is their second language, not to be impolite.




Actually, that is quite impolite to presume that its an ESL problem rather than a simple typo.  Why would you assume that and bring this up?  Lame move yet again dude...


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Re: Zionism, Israel- What's the problem? Is it any of your business? [Re: DieCommie]
    #15754914 - 02/03/12 07:16 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It was constructive criticism, kindly meant.  Here and on other threads John has indicated he could use the help.  Thanks for your input, DieCommie!


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