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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ben Phartin] * 2
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I love how he's lets this guy out but we're about to tarriff the entire country of Mexico and China for selling fentanyl :youseethisshit:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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sudly said:
The number of states involved is growing, do you think that state legal action could make any change to the executive order?

Or just what kind of numbers might need to be involved, it went from 18 states to 20 overnight.

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More than 20 states sue Trump administration over order seeking to overturn birthright citizenship

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-birthright-citizenship-suit-states/



The order doesn't have the force of law anyway.  The 14th Amendment clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

It's not rocket science.  Anyone born here is a citizen unless they aren't subject to U.S. jurisdiction...such as a foreign diplomat's child who would be diplomatically immune to the jurisdiction.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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I think he’s trying to just get his base all riled up so that they will applaud when he shreds the constitution.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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They can applaud all he wants.  He can claim to invalidate whatever part of the constitution he wants.  It's all words though, and none if it has any bearing on reality.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Have them throwing matches and yelling about it before he goes in there with an ax, decides to “rearrange” some of it.

That way he can “put it more in line with modern American values“

It’s endearing that you think the old set of rule still applies here.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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sudly said:
The number of states involved is growing, do you think that state legal action could make any change to the executive order?

Or just what kind of numbers might need to be involved, it went from 18 states to 20 overnight.

Quote:
More than 20 states sue Trump administration over order seeking to overturn birthright citizenship

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-birthright-citizenship-suit-states/



I assume this case will see some kind of injunctive relief, but I’m not sure a state has standing in this matter. Normally, for the courts to decide on something like this , it would take someone suing on behalf of a child that was denied citizenship due to the policy.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Meh...trump will try to deport someone born here, and then it'll kick up from that. Either way, there's zero chance the Supremes are gonna side with Trump on this.  I seriously doubt any circuit court will either.  There's no real argument that the 14th isn't valid law, and there's no way to interpret it to deny citizenship to someone born here and simultaneously claim that he/she can be deported.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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It’s all rhetoric. Executive orders cannot overrule the constitution. Congress would need to pass legislation, amendments and such. Then and only then will the rhetoric become reality.

Until then the courts will tell him to kick rocks.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: OLDDAD77]
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Congress can't overrule the Constitution either.  A congressional law ending birthright citizenship would be just as meaningless.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constitution-with-executiv-1830106306/

I think I'm with the Onion on this one.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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State conventions could repeal the 14th ammendment like we did the 18th one. Bribing states does work Enlil.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope]
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Sure...we could amend the constitution, but Congress can't do that alone just like Trump can't.  There's zero chance of the 14th amendment being repealed, though, and if it was, that would pretty much end all civil rights in this nation including freedom of speech, religion, etc.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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It's only illegal if you get caught someone is willing to enforce the law you're breaking.

See also:  Worcester v. Georgia


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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You've got it backwards, though. His executive order is only legal if someone is willing to enforce it.

Also, I don't see the relevance of that case.  Maybe you can explain it.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: OLDDAD77] * 1
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Lol trumps big idea to end the Ukraine war is to impose sanctions on Russia. The war was supposed
To be over yesterday.



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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 3
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This time is different because we really mean it this time.  He should have added a "no cap fr fr" to the end of it you bring the point home.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gopher]
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Im near drowning in lib tears
:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tonydanzawillpay]
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Welcome to the leopards eating peoples faces club.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
sudly said:
The number of states involved is growing, do you think that state legal action could make any change to the executive order?

Or just what kind of numbers might need to be involved, it went from 18 states to 20 overnight.

Quote:
More than 20 states sue Trump administration over order seeking to overturn birthright citizenship

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-birthright-citizenship-suit-states/



The order doesn't have the force of law anyway.  The 14th Amendment clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

It's not rocket science.  Anyone born here is a citizen unless they aren't subject to U.S. jurisdiction...such as a foreign diplomat's child who would be diplomatically immune to the jurisdiction.


I know a guy who was born in the US to diplomats and he’s a citizen. Turns out in reality a birth certificate from a US state is all you need to prove citizenship.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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