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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
So?  Tipote said he was benefitting.  You asked how.  We answered.  Now you're talking about something completely different. 

P.S. Billionaires don't become billionaires because they're happy just to have their "needs" met.



Tell that to Buffett. He gives himself 100k a year in salary


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Enlil]
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Money isn't worth much if the dollar collapses and you don't have a country anymore. I think grandpa Trump has a reason for pursuing this presidency. Something to do with posterity... even if it's just for his grandkids to be able to flourish in their home country and not in some New Zealand hide-away. It's called 'enlightened self-interest'.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Tell that to Buffett. He gives himself 100k a year in salary



He makes far more than that every year.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Great Scott]
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Of course being president increases your money making potential. The problem with trump is that unlike other presidents, he not waiting until he's out of office to take advantage. Mar Lago is a total pay for play situation. He doubled his membership fees, and his members get face time with him every time he's down there. It's unseemly as fuck.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/29/17 10:24 AM)

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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Patlal said:
Tell that to Buffett. He gives himself 100k a year in salary



He makes far more than that every year.



No shit...


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: koods]
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I don't like the fact that he says he doesn't want his presidential salary. It sends a message that it's not his real job - he's just a volunteer and it's not really his main focus. (Which it isn't apparently, based on his performance)


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal] * 1
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Then why waste our time with non sequiturs?


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Of course being president increases your money making potential. The problem with trump is that unlike mother presidents, he not waiting until he's out of office to take advantage. Mar Lago is a total pay for play situation. He doubled his membership fees, and his members get face time with him every time he's down there. It's unseemly as fuck.



Nice Freudian slip, Koodsy.

Mar-a-Lago price hike part of a pay-for-play scheme? Explain. And while you're at it, please explain why you didn't care at all about Hillary's PROVEN pay-for-play operations.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Great Scott]
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Why do guys continue to talk about Hillary. She's living in the woods somewhere.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Great Scott]
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How are Hillary's pay-to-play operations proven?

As someone volunteered for the Sanders campaign for over a year, I really wish I would've had that proof.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Tipote said:
I realise Trump has increasing incentive to stay President despite how much he sucks at it. Not only is he enriching his family business/himself but he benefits from immunity, right?



You're gonna have to expain how he's enriching himself. He doesn't even take the President's salary.

Present solid facts. Enough of these "I believe it therefore it's true". And also, I'm not gonna let you off the hook by saying he goes to his hotels. He made it clear that any proceeds from his hotels directly linked to him goes to the federal government. So actually try



the potus is required by article II of the Constitution to receive compensation during his presidency.  further, article II states that the salary can't be increased nor decreased during his presidency so he's collecting the full $400,000/yr salary.

he has stated he'll donate it, but rational people don't trust others who are known, proven, habitual liars.

having said that, idc about the whole salary issue; the reality teevee star is being enriched in myriad other ways as already stated by others ITT.

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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I don't like the fact that he says he doesn't want his presidential salary. It sends a message that it's not his real job - he's just a volunteer and it's not really his main focus. (Which it isn't apparently, based on his performance)



:huxleyfacepalm:

He's in it for himself.

He doesn't accept his salary

I don't like that he doesn't accept his salary.


Start making sense.... If it's not his main focus, then why is he working every day in the white house as President? What else is he doing in there? I bet he's skimming the visit tours...


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal]
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He isnt working everyday. Hes taking golf trips every 3 days on average.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal]
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He's not in the White House everyday. He's spent a larger percentage of his time outside the White House than any modern president. (Another promise broken)


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal]
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He might be a public servant who's wealthy enough to not require a taxpayer-funded stipend. Imagine that. But on the other hand, it's pretty much a token gesture and doesn't amount to some significant cost savings to the taxpayer. $400k is a drop in the bucket compared to how much money the federal government pisses away every year on frivolous expenditures.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
Could there be some potential financial benefits as a result?  Maybe, but that does NOT mean it was his true motivation.



I didn't say it was his true motivation. As I said, there are more benefits than financial. There are many factors at play as you point out..



No one mentioned the tax cuts for the rich he would give himself.  Or deregulation of the businesses he owns.

His Presidential salary is chump change compared to what he's hoping to give himself.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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His goal is to cut taxes on everybody. The "rich" are included in that category, you class-envy-driven commie.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tipote said:
qman said:
Could there be some potential financial benefits as a result?  Maybe, but that does NOT mean it was his true motivation.



I didn't say it was his true motivation. As I said, there are more benefits than financial. There are many factors at play as you point out..



No one mentioned the tax cuts for the rich he would give himself.  Or deregulation of the businesses he owns.

His Presidential salary is chump change compared to what he's hoping to give himself.



If we want to get technical. Every President gave themselves something. Presidents are part of the people and whenever they give the people something, they automatically benefit for it themselves. On top of the 203k they make a year after their term.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Great Scott]
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PeyoteZen said:
His goal is to cut taxes on everybody. The "rich" are included in that category, you class-envy-driven commie.



As was previously pointed out, people in the lowest tax bracket actually get money back today, but under Trump, they get nothing and have to say "I win!" instead.

Here are the statistics for how much people actually pay:


SOURCE: Tax Policy Center, Table T13-0174, July 2013. Data are for 2014. Compiled by PGPF.
NOTE: A quintile is one fifth of the population. The breaks are (in 2013 dollars): 20% $24,191; 40% $47,261; 60% $79,521; 80% $134,266; 90% $180,482; 95% $261,471; 99% $615,048; 99.9% $3,170,865.


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Re: How will the Trump presidency end [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
If we want to get technical. Every President gave themselves something. Presidents are part of the people and whenever they give the people something, they automatically benefit for it themselves.



WRONG.  Trump helping the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class benefits the rich ONLY.


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